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Eh, that's like talking about the viability of computer products... Yeah, many will fail. And many will prevail in sizes you can't even imagine. There's nothing

Eh, that's like talking about the viability of computer products... Yeah, many will fail. And many will prevail in sizes you can't even imagine. There's nothing about AI that would tell you which company is going to be which.

pdimitar 2y ago
> And many will prevail in sizes you can't even imagine. Been more than a year, still waiting. Sure, it might take 50. But the AI craziness is made no less crazy in the meantime. Way too much time and money thrown for fairly marginal benefits.
- thrw42A8N 2y ago
  Still waiting for what? When OpenAI gets another 100 billion net worth? Marginal benefits? Even just Github Copilot itself is absolutely worth it, itself probably a billion dollar company, and changed the world.
  - pdimitar 2y ago
    No, waiting for "AI" to be more than super-niche useful. I am saying that way too much money has been poured in for the fairly underwhelming results that we get.
    - thrw42A8N 2y ago
      Software engineering is a huge industry in which AI has produced enough results to make it all worthwhile. Image generation is another. I personally know a business owner - it's an online grocery store - who used AI generated pictures to reduce costs by 10s of thousands of Euro, it's what made the business possible. (The pictures are cartoonish, nobody thinks it's a real photo)
      - pdimitar 2y ago
        If you say so. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ I have only seen it introduce friction and keep seniors busy code-reviewing the subtle mistakes that the so-called "AI" does.
        thrw42A8N 2y ago
        Your seniors are not senior then. None of my seniors would commit these subtle mistakes. Find people who can do that and AI gives them superpower.
        pdimitar 2y ago
        I view the time of hand-crafting good code a better investment than spending the same time (and sometimes more) carefully eye-balling tool output that is almost guaranteed to contain subtle mistakes and correct them.
        thrw42A8N 2y ago
        I don't have this problem at all, and yet I use Copilot daily since it was closed beta. The output I get is very helpful, indeed sometimes wrong but it's very much outweighed by the successes. I sometimes turn it off to remember how it used to be, and it's just terrible. It actually makes me and my team 10x devs.
        pdimitar 2y ago
        Your point being? That it does not happen to you, means it never happens to anyone else?
        thrw42A8N 2y ago
        The point is that the senior professionals who benefited from it created so much additional productivity, it doesn't matter that there is someone who can't use it well - that doesn't make AI useless or not worth it.

pdimitar 2y ago

> And many will prevail in sizes you can't even imagine. Been more than a year, still waiting. Sure, it might take 50. But the AI craziness is made no less crazy in the meantime. Way too much time and money thrown for fairly marginal benefits.

thrw42A8N 2y ago
Still waiting for what? When OpenAI gets another 100 billion net worth? Marginal benefits? Even just Github Copilot itself is absolutely worth it, itself probably a billion dollar company, and changed the world.
- pdimitar 2y ago
  No, waiting for "AI" to be more than super-niche useful. I am saying that way too much money has been poured in for the fairly underwhelming results that we get.
  - thrw42A8N 2y ago
    Software engineering is a huge industry in which AI has produced enough results to make it all worthwhile. Image generation is another. I personally know a business owner - it's an online grocery store - who used AI generated pictures to reduce costs by 10s of thousands of Euro, it's what made the business possible. (The pictures are cartoonish, nobody thinks it's a real photo)
    - pdimitar 2y ago
      If you say so. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ I have only seen it introduce friction and keep seniors busy code-reviewing the subtle mistakes that the so-called "AI" does.
      - thrw42A8N 2y ago
        Your seniors are not senior then. None of my seniors would commit these subtle mistakes. Find people who can do that and AI gives them superpower.
        pdimitar 2y ago
        I view the time of hand-crafting good code a better investment than spending the same time (and sometimes more) carefully eye-balling tool output that is almost guaranteed to contain subtle mistakes and correct them.
        thrw42A8N 2y ago
        I don't have this problem at all, and yet I use Copilot daily since it was closed beta. The output I get is very helpful, indeed sometimes wrong but it's very much outweighed by the successes. I sometimes turn it off to remember how it used to be, and it's just terrible. It actually makes me and my team 10x devs.
        pdimitar 2y ago
        Your point being? That it does not happen to you, means it never happens to anyone else?
        thrw42A8N 2y ago
        The point is that the senior professionals who benefited from it created so much additional productivity, it doesn't matter that there is someone who can't use it well - that doesn't make AI useless or not worth it.