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I think what's so surprising is that they would run a secretive program in such a conspicuous manner, not that the secretive program exists.

cheschire 2y ago
Can you think of a better way to normalize it? Think about the average persons response to online privacy these days for a good indicator about how people will feel about drone monitoring in a few years if this is normalized.
- wholinator2 2y ago
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  - Gwiz462 2y ago
    Maybe that is why they are only being tested in the Coastal states.
  - wrigby 2y ago
    Please don't do this. You're not going to hit a drone at any appreciable altitude from a "high window" with a "nice rifle." One of the first rules of putting bullets downrange is to know what's behind your target, and you simply can't know that when you're shooting into the air. See also: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Celebratory_gunfire#Injuries https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Celebratory_gunfire#Injuries
  - pjc50 2y ago
    It's kind of amazing that you can post incitement to terrorism on HN. People have been jailed for using high-power laser pointers against aircraft.
  - shagie 2y ago
    The FAA classifies drones as aircraft. https://www.faa.gov/Air_traffic/Publications/atpubs/aim_html/chap11_section_2.html https://www.faa.gov/Air_traffic/Publications/atpubs/aim_html... Damaging an aircraft is considered criminal aircraft sabotage under 18 U.S.C. 32 https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/32 https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/32 https://www.justice.gov/archives/jm/criminal-resource-manual-2-aircraft-sabotage-18-usc-32 https://www.justice.gov/archives/jm/criminal-resource-manual... There is nothing in there about if the aircraft is legally or illegally operated. https://dronedj.com/2024/06/30/florida-walmart-delivery-drone-shooting/ https://dronedj.com/2024/06/30/florida-walmart-delivery-dron... And for more resources for drone pilots: https://www.dronepilotgroundschool.com/shooting-drone/ https://www.dronepilotgroundschool.com/shooting-drone/ --- Firing on drones is a good way to lose your freedoms and even beyond that one's rights to have firearms.
    - AdamJacobMuller 2y ago
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E54YtvmRKAM https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E54YtvmRKAM
fasa99 2y ago
Exactly. That's what I think it is, government secrecy as their standard operating procedure. When unsure, don't say anything. After all, disclosing the public includes adversaries also knowing. It seems to me what's happening is a "Streisand Effect" where the whole attitude of "go away, nothing to see here" is in fact maximizing attention and defeating the purpose of hiding this away. If it were me I'd put a band-aid on a drone, fly it to a person, and say, "we are testing military capabilities to render first aid to our soldiers" or something similar. It's not a lie, it's good optics, adversaries can worry about it... then put whatever it is on ice for a while until the heat dies down

cheschire 2y ago

Can you think of a better way to normalize it? Think about the average persons response to online privacy these days for a good indicator about how people will feel about drone monitoring in a few years if this is normalized.

wholinator2 2y ago
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- Gwiz462 2y ago
  Maybe that is why they are only being tested in the Coastal states.
- wrigby 2y ago
  Please don't do this. You're not going to hit a drone at any appreciable altitude from a "high window" with a "nice rifle." One of the first rules of putting bullets downrange is to know what's behind your target, and you simply can't know that when you're shooting into the air. See also: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Celebratory_gunfire#Injuries https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Celebratory_gunfire#Injuries
- pjc50 2y ago
  It's kind of amazing that you can post incitement to terrorism on HN. People have been jailed for using high-power laser pointers against aircraft.
- shagie 2y ago
  The FAA classifies drones as aircraft. https://www.faa.gov/Air_traffic/Publications/atpubs/aim_html/chap11_section_2.html https://www.faa.gov/Air_traffic/Publications/atpubs/aim_html... Damaging an aircraft is considered criminal aircraft sabotage under 18 U.S.C. 32 https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/32 https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/32 https://www.justice.gov/archives/jm/criminal-resource-manual-2-aircraft-sabotage-18-usc-32 https://www.justice.gov/archives/jm/criminal-resource-manual... There is nothing in there about if the aircraft is legally or illegally operated. https://dronedj.com/2024/06/30/florida-walmart-delivery-drone-shooting/ https://dronedj.com/2024/06/30/florida-walmart-delivery-dron... And for more resources for drone pilots: https://www.dronepilotgroundschool.com/shooting-drone/ https://www.dronepilotgroundschool.com/shooting-drone/ --- Firing on drones is a good way to lose your freedoms and even beyond that one's rights to have firearms.
  - AdamJacobMuller 2y ago
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E54YtvmRKAM https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E54YtvmRKAM

fasa99 2y ago

Exactly. That's what I think it is, government secrecy as their standard operating procedure. When unsure, don't say anything. After all, disclosing the public includes adversaries also knowing. It seems to me what's happening is a "Streisand Effect" where the whole attitude of "go away, nothing to see here" is in fact maximizing attention and defeating the purpose of hiding this away. If it were me I'd put a band-aid on a drone, fly it to a person, and say, "we are testing military capabilities to render first aid to our soldiers" or something similar. It's not a lie, it's good optics, adversaries can worry about it... then put whatever it is on ice for a while until the heat dies down