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Wait, this is news to me - which VPS providers do not have persistent data storage? Are you thinking of Heroku-like deployments? I feel like every VPS provider

Wait, this is news to me - which VPS providers do not have persistent data storage? Are you thinking of Heroku-like deployments? I feel like every VPS provider I've encountered always listed storage as a feature?

earayu 2y ago
I was thinking about EC2's default instance storage - it's ephemeral and gets wiped when you restart or stop the instance. Without paying for EBS volumes, EC2's storage is non-persistent by design.
- hhh 2y ago
  The d variant machines you mean?
thrw42A8N 2y ago
You can't rely on VPS disk - backups, data retention and recovery is all up to you in case of node failure. There are other much more expensive and much slower products (external networked volumes) that do offer guarantees, but that's additional charge.
- jeltz 2y ago
  Most VPS providers offer a backup solution.
  - sigio 2y ago
    Yes, and you never use those, because if the VPS company fails, your backups are gone. So use the backup services of a second (and third) company if you value your data.
  - thrw42A8N 2y ago
    As I said, that's an additional charge.
- justinclift 2y ago
  > backups Just to point out, if the data is important you'll want backups anyway. Even with S3. Just in case. :D
  - vbezhenar 2y ago
    Why would you want backups for S3? Were there data loss incidents?
    - indigo945 2y ago
      Well, Amazon might fail as a company at some point and then all your data will be gone. Theoretically. Much more likely, though, is that you, or some sysadmin at your company, or even some user will accidentally hit the "delete" button on something important, and then without a backup, you can't get it back. Which is honestly the thing that people usually need their backups for, anyway. This is what most "data loss incidents" are: people just messing up and deleting things they shouldn't have. Wetware is much more prone to failure than hardware, after all.
      - vbezhenar 2y ago
        There are ways to protect against delete or overwrite, for example by using versions.
        justinclift 2y ago
        Does that work when the sysadmin fat fingers the deletion of a bucket or account?
    - justinclift 2y ago
      > Why would you want backups for S3? In case something goes wrong. ie your account has a problem unexpectedly, or if they do indeed have a data loss/corruption problem, etc.

earayu 2y ago

I was thinking about EC2's default instance storage - it's ephemeral and gets wiped when you restart or stop the instance. Without paying for EBS volumes, EC2's storage is non-persistent by design.

hhh 2y ago
The d variant machines you mean?

thrw42A8N 2y ago

You can't rely on VPS disk - backups, data retention and recovery is all up to you in case of node failure. There are other much more expensive and much slower products (external networked volumes) that do offer guarantees, but that's additional charge.

jeltz 2y ago
Most VPS providers offer a backup solution.
- sigio 2y ago
  Yes, and you never use those, because if the VPS company fails, your backups are gone. So use the backup services of a second (and third) company if you value your data.
- thrw42A8N 2y ago
  As I said, that's an additional charge.
justinclift 2y ago
> backups Just to point out, if the data is important you'll want backups anyway. Even with S3. Just in case. :D
- vbezhenar 2y ago
  Why would you want backups for S3? Were there data loss incidents?
  - indigo945 2y ago
    Well, Amazon might fail as a company at some point and then all your data will be gone. Theoretically. Much more likely, though, is that you, or some sysadmin at your company, or even some user will accidentally hit the "delete" button on something important, and then without a backup, you can't get it back. Which is honestly the thing that people usually need their backups for, anyway. This is what most "data loss incidents" are: people just messing up and deleting things they shouldn't have. Wetware is much more prone to failure than hardware, after all.
    - vbezhenar 2y ago
      There are ways to protect against delete or overwrite, for example by using versions.
      - justinclift 2y ago
        Does that work when the sysadmin fat fingers the deletion of a bucket or account?
  - justinclift 2y ago
    > Why would you want backups for S3? In case something goes wrong. ie your account has a problem unexpectedly, or if they do indeed have a data loss/corruption problem, etc.