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> Also, hard disagree about books. What? There’s a world of difference between a book, which is completely non-interactive, and an interactive chatbot which wa

> Also, hard disagree about books. What? There’s a world of difference between a book, which is completely non-interactive, and an interactive chatbot which was deliberately designed to simulate another person.

conductr 2y ago
Difference sure. But the kid knew he was interacting with a simulation. Also, unless something more damning comes out, my feelings on topics like this default to parental responsibility. If you let your kid with all these known issues interact with new technology that mimics real people with real thoughts, don’t be so shocked when you dislike what those thoughts might be.
- mplewis 2y ago
  The child is a child! Their brain is not fully developed. They do not have the faculties to safely navigate a highly interactive tool that seems to be having a real conversation with them.
  - gredbeard 2y ago
    Right, which is why a parent should be more involved from the beginning here.
    - conductr 2y ago
      Yes! This is exactly my point. Also, not sure why we treat our kids like such weak snowflakes. This “kid” is 17. That’s damn near being an adult and able to be sent off to die in wars. Scissors are great tools, don’t sue the scissor company because you can’t teach your kids to walk with them, the parent has the primary role in everything.
- ToucanLoucan 2y ago
  > Difference sure. But the kid knew he was interacting with a simulation. I propose a model called "Schrodinger's AI Enthusiast" where it is observed that an AI enthusiast will insist with a straight face on the one hand that fancy autocomplete word generators are intelligent and the path to true AGI machines/programs and will on the other hand assume that any time any of those same products cause negative effects or have negative outcomes that it is the fault of the user misunderstanding that it's simply a tool.
scotty79 2y ago
Some books caused waves of suicides and anti-social behavior when they got popular. Some even inspired murderous and impoverishing political systems.
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- hulitu 2y ago
  > Some books caused waves of suicides and anti-social behavior when they got popular Literacy was always a problem. The most dangerous man is the one who asks questions. That't why "society" tries to keep the number of those people low.
tomjen3 2y ago
Millions have been killed over ideas in the bible, even though it’s just a book.
- hulitu 2y ago
  > Millions have been killed over ideas in the bible, even though it’s just a book. Yes, but those ideas were distributed by "human" chat bots (aka priests). Very few people actually read the bible, but when they do, only specific parts.

conductr 2y ago

Difference sure. But the kid knew he was interacting with a simulation. Also, unless something more damning comes out, my feelings on topics like this default to parental responsibility. If you let your kid with all these known issues interact with new technology that mimics real people with real thoughts, don’t be so shocked when you dislike what those thoughts might be.

mplewis 2y ago
The child is a child! Their brain is not fully developed. They do not have the faculties to safely navigate a highly interactive tool that seems to be having a real conversation with them.
- gredbeard 2y ago
  Right, which is why a parent should be more involved from the beginning here.
  - conductr 2y ago
    Yes! This is exactly my point. Also, not sure why we treat our kids like such weak snowflakes. This “kid” is 17. That’s damn near being an adult and able to be sent off to die in wars. Scissors are great tools, don’t sue the scissor company because you can’t teach your kids to walk with them, the parent has the primary role in everything.
ToucanLoucan 2y ago
> Difference sure. But the kid knew he was interacting with a simulation. I propose a model called "Schrodinger's AI Enthusiast" where it is observed that an AI enthusiast will insist with a straight face on the one hand that fancy autocomplete word generators are intelligent and the path to true AGI machines/programs and will on the other hand assume that any time any of those same products cause negative effects or have negative outcomes that it is the fault of the user misunderstanding that it's simply a tool.

scotty79 2y ago

Some books caused waves of suicides and anti-social behavior when they got popular. Some even inspired murderous and impoverishing political systems.

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hulitu 2y ago
> Some books caused waves of suicides and anti-social behavior when they got popular Literacy was always a problem. The most dangerous man is the one who asks questions. That't why "society" tries to keep the number of those people low.

tomjen3 2y ago

Millions have been killed over ideas in the bible, even though it’s just a book.

hulitu 2y ago
> Millions have been killed over ideas in the bible, even though it’s just a book. Yes, but those ideas were distributed by "human" chat bots (aka priests). Very few people actually read the bible, but when they do, only specific parts.