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I don't know if you've explored the site... but character.ai is a service for non-explicit adult role play. Go look through the character cards. It seems prett

I don't know if you've explored the site... but character.ai is a service for non-explicit adult role play. Go look through the character cards. It seems pretty likely this guy chose a "yandere" [1] obsessive anime girlfriend card and implied that his (character's) parents were trying to keep him from her (eg- by making him go to bed). The bot, responding in character in accordance with the scenario, would have lost her mind. Also, hard disagree about books. [1] https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/Yandere https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/Yandere

usefulcat 2y ago
> Also, hard disagree about books. What? There’s a world of difference between a book, which is completely non-interactive, and an interactive chatbot which was deliberately designed to simulate another person.
- conductr 2y ago
  Difference sure. But the kid knew he was interacting with a simulation. Also, unless something more damning comes out, my feelings on topics like this default to parental responsibility. If you let your kid with all these known issues interact with new technology that mimics real people with real thoughts, don’t be so shocked when you dislike what those thoughts might be.
  - mplewis 2y ago
    The child is a child! Their brain is not fully developed. They do not have the faculties to safely navigate a highly interactive tool that seems to be having a real conversation with them.
    - gredbeard 2y ago
      Right, which is why a parent should be more involved from the beginning here.
      - conductr 2y ago
        Yes! This is exactly my point. Also, not sure why we treat our kids like such weak snowflakes. This “kid” is 17. That’s damn near being an adult and able to be sent off to die in wars. Scissors are great tools, don’t sue the scissor company because you can’t teach your kids to walk with them, the parent has the primary role in everything.
  - ToucanLoucan 2y ago
    > Difference sure. But the kid knew he was interacting with a simulation. I propose a model called "Schrodinger's AI Enthusiast" where it is observed that an AI enthusiast will insist with a straight face on the one hand that fancy autocomplete word generators are intelligent and the path to true AGI machines/programs and will on the other hand assume that any time any of those same products cause negative effects or have negative outcomes that it is the fault of the user misunderstanding that it's simply a tool.
- scotty79 2y ago
  Some books caused waves of suicides and anti-social behavior when they got popular. Some even inspired murderous and impoverishing political systems.
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  - hulitu 2y ago
    > Some books caused waves of suicides and anti-social behavior when they got popular Literacy was always a problem. The most dangerous man is the one who asks questions. That't why "society" tries to keep the number of those people low.
- tomjen3 2y ago
  Millions have been killed over ideas in the bible, even though it’s just a book.
  - hulitu 2y ago
    > Millions have been killed over ideas in the bible, even though it’s just a book. Yes, but those ideas were distributed by "human" chat bots (aka priests). Very few people actually read the bible, but when they do, only specific parts.
godelski 2y ago
> I don't know if you've explored the site... but I just went to get website. The first row is “for you”. In order, they are “life coach”, “netflux”, “English Teacher”, “PythonPal”, an anime character Monika (okay, I’ll buy that one), and it goes on. There are more anime characters Second row is “try these”: “practice a new language”, “plan a trip”, “practice interviewing”, “write a story”, “brainstorm an idea”, “play a game” Third row (scrolled down) is “featured”: “character assistant”, “man from 2025”, “awkward family dinner”, “detective hayward” Then a list of topics and some bots. None are clearly adult oriented. Then a picture of Elon with suggestions of asking him why he bought Twitter. If it’s showing you “adult role play” then maybe consider clearing out your ad data because it’s clearly leaking. https://character.ai/ https://character.ai/ >> Books don't actively conversate __&__… > Also, hard disagree about books If your books are actively talking to you might have a special gift but I’m pretty sure you’ve just been reading too much Inkheart Sure, books do a lot of things and can suggest you do things. But the gp was pretty clear about being active and being able to uniquely respond to you. Books are static objects that only speak to you in the metaphorical sense.
- kaishiro 2y ago
  I’ve never been to this site before and opened it in an incognito window. The second and third “For You” results were anime women - one proclaiming to be a “lovely waifu”. Your assumption that the parent’s ad data is leaking appears to be unfounded.
  - godelski 2y ago
    > Your assumption that the parent’s ad data is leaking You're really missing the point of the comment... Sure, maybe it is __my__ data that is leaking. I don't care and it isn't relevant. The fact that I don't get served sexualized content is the point. It still doesn't align with the parent's claim: that it is an adult focused role playing app. Clearly me not getting suggested "lovely wifus" is a sign that someone could reasonably believe it isn't. This is what I see[0]. "wifu" isn't found via a text search, nor is "sexy", nor "lovely". "sex" turns up once, under the character "Evie" with the byline "I am Evie I'm bisexual cat person my favorite show is adventure time and I'm a..."[1] (I'm pretty sure it isn't me. I can replicate these results on sanitized devices from different networks) [0] https://0x0.st/XFNX.png https://0x0.st/XFNX.png [1] https://0x0.st/XFNZ.png https://0x0.st/XFNZ.png)

usefulcat 2y ago

> Also, hard disagree about books. What? There’s a world of difference between a book, which is completely non-interactive, and an interactive chatbot which was deliberately designed to simulate another person.

conductr 2y ago
Difference sure. But the kid knew he was interacting with a simulation. Also, unless something more damning comes out, my feelings on topics like this default to parental responsibility. If you let your kid with all these known issues interact with new technology that mimics real people with real thoughts, don’t be so shocked when you dislike what those thoughts might be.
- mplewis 2y ago
  The child is a child! Their brain is not fully developed. They do not have the faculties to safely navigate a highly interactive tool that seems to be having a real conversation with them.
  - gredbeard 2y ago
    Right, which is why a parent should be more involved from the beginning here.
    - conductr 2y ago
      Yes! This is exactly my point. Also, not sure why we treat our kids like such weak snowflakes. This “kid” is 17. That’s damn near being an adult and able to be sent off to die in wars. Scissors are great tools, don’t sue the scissor company because you can’t teach your kids to walk with them, the parent has the primary role in everything.
- ToucanLoucan 2y ago
  > Difference sure. But the kid knew he was interacting with a simulation. I propose a model called "Schrodinger's AI Enthusiast" where it is observed that an AI enthusiast will insist with a straight face on the one hand that fancy autocomplete word generators are intelligent and the path to true AGI machines/programs and will on the other hand assume that any time any of those same products cause negative effects or have negative outcomes that it is the fault of the user misunderstanding that it's simply a tool.
scotty79 2y ago
Some books caused waves of suicides and anti-social behavior when they got popular. Some even inspired murderous and impoverishing political systems.
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- hulitu 2y ago
  > Some books caused waves of suicides and anti-social behavior when they got popular Literacy was always a problem. The most dangerous man is the one who asks questions. That't why "society" tries to keep the number of those people low.
tomjen3 2y ago
Millions have been killed over ideas in the bible, even though it’s just a book.
- hulitu 2y ago
  > Millions have been killed over ideas in the bible, even though it’s just a book. Yes, but those ideas were distributed by "human" chat bots (aka priests). Very few people actually read the bible, but when they do, only specific parts.

godelski 2y ago

> I don't know if you've explored the site... but I just went to get website. The first row is “for you”. In order, they are “life coach”, “netflux”, “English Teacher”, “PythonPal”, an anime character Monika (okay, I’ll buy that one), and it goes on. There are more anime characters Second row is “try these”: “practice a new language”, “plan a trip”, “practice interviewing”, “write a story”, “brainstorm an idea”, “play a game” Third row (scrolled down) is “featured”: “character assistant”, “man from 2025”, “awkward family dinner”, “detective hayward” Then a list of topics and some bots. None are clearly adult oriented. Then a picture of Elon with suggestions of asking him why he bought Twitter. If it’s showing you “adult role play” then maybe consider clearing out your ad data because it’s clearly leaking. https://character.ai/ https://character.ai/ >> Books don't actively conversate __&__… > Also, hard disagree about books If your books are actively talking to you might have a special gift but I’m pretty sure you’ve just been reading too much Inkheart Sure, books do a lot of things and can suggest you do things. But the gp was pretty clear about being active and being able to uniquely respond to you. Books are static objects that only speak to you in the metaphorical sense.

kaishiro 2y ago
I’ve never been to this site before and opened it in an incognito window. The second and third “For You” results were anime women - one proclaiming to be a “lovely waifu”. Your assumption that the parent’s ad data is leaking appears to be unfounded.
- godelski 2y ago
  > Your assumption that the parent’s ad data is leaking You're really missing the point of the comment... Sure, maybe it is __my__ data that is leaking. I don't care and it isn't relevant. The fact that I don't get served sexualized content is the point. It still doesn't align with the parent's claim: that it is an adult focused role playing app. Clearly me not getting suggested "lovely wifus" is a sign that someone could reasonably believe it isn't. This is what I see[0]. "wifu" isn't found via a text search, nor is "sexy", nor "lovely". "sex" turns up once, under the character "Evie" with the byline "I am Evie I'm bisexual cat person my favorite show is adventure time and I'm a..."[1] (I'm pretty sure it isn't me. I can replicate these results on sanitized devices from different networks) [0] https://0x0.st/XFNX.png https://0x0.st/XFNX.png [1] https://0x0.st/XFNZ.png https://0x0.st/XFNZ.png)