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What actually happened in Ukraine was that the president went back on his promise to try to work towards join the EU (possibly due to threats from Putin) and so
by rat87 2y ago
What actually happened in Ukraine was that the president went back on his promise to try to work towards join the EU (possibly due to threats from Putin) and some young Ukranians organized a protest on social media because they saw the EU as the only hope for a bright Ukrainan future (if you want to know why just look at the economy and corruption levels in former communist EU countries compared to Ukraine) and the President as going back on his word and throwing it away. Instead of considering their points or even trying to ignore them he tried to suppress the protests with extreme violence and ridiculous anti protest laws people thought might lead to dictatorship like in neighboring Russia or Belarus. The Ukranian people didn't like this and the protests grew and grew and grew. The EU and US encouraged the political opposition to make a compromise with the President even if it was unsatisfactory. But then the police who has been fighting the protesters got cold feet that the president would throw them under the bus in the deal, so they disappeared and the President decided to do the same. Since he abandoned his country and his post the legislature had no choice but to remove him from office including many from his own party. A couple of US politicians voiced support for the people protesting for their rights against a corrupt and increasingly authorian leader, I see why they did it but how is that relevant to any of this?
Also Poroshenko wasn't in any way installed or a puppet, he was elected by Ukranians in an election that was fair and free followed by another fair and free election which he lost in a landslide. That's democracy.
Poroshenko may have not been the best leader but he was tons better then Yanukovych and it was pretty hard to run Ukraine even before Russia invaded.
- senderista 2y agoYanukovych (along with several members of the Rada) fled for his life from Right Sector and other fascist goons. The coup came after Yanukovych had already agreed to early elections.
- rat87 2y agoYanukovych chose to abandon his country and his duty without warning. He had options. Did he fear for his life due to the violence he had started, maybe. But there was no coup. He abandoned his country (he didn't try going to a different part of the country where there were fewer protests) and the legislature removed him because of it. They couldn't wait for him to decide to come back whenever he felt comfortable.
- senderista 2y agoSounds like you're assuming that the Maidan sniper massacre was Yanukovych's doing. There is good reason to believe it was orchestrated by the far right because they didn't want a peaceful solution. Ivan Katchanovski is a Ukrainian-born Canadian political scientist who is definitely not a Russian sympathizer. He has studied the history of the Maidan uprising and argues convincingly (IMO) for this conclusion. https://www.researchgate.net/publication/266855828_The_Snipers'_Massacre_on_the_Maidan_in_Ukraine https://www.researchgate.net/publication/266855828_The_Snipe... He also has a very interesting podcast with Robert Wright where he discusses this, among other issues related to the Ukraine war: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Rvx_M3_Yi0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Rvx_M3_Yi0 I also recommend following his twitter account if you're interested in a fairly neutral perspective on the Ukraine war: https://x.com/I_Katchanovski https://x.com/I_Katchanovski