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Is there that much difference between this and a phone sex cubicle worker in the 70s or 80s? It's been a commoditized job for ages. Slightly higher tech now, bu

Is there that much difference between this and a phone sex cubicle worker in the 70s or 80s? It's been a commoditized job for ages. Slightly higher tech now, but basically still the same thing.

namaria 2y ago
Did phone sex operators stars get million dollar incomes in the 70s and 80s? Was it a 10 digits industry then?
- vasco 2y ago
  Globally probably - since now it is bigger. Have a look at Teleholding in the netherlands as an example, they printed money mostly with recordings not even people on the other side.
- KaiserPro 2y ago
  The company owners did. But the phone operators were (to my understanding) reasonably well paid. However income dropped off with the introduction of video chat(first on sky TV, then internets). One of my former colleagues bought a flat in london with the proceeds from their dancing in night clubs. Which I thought at the time, and still do, is might impressive. They keep that private, for a number of sadly obvious reasons, however they are not ashamed of it. They refused video chat, because it was less protected, and less anonymous. In a (good) club, you are protected by bouncers, no phones, no intimidation. OF and the rest you have limited control on who shares your stuff, so its much harder to be a part time model.
- Barrin92 2y ago
  >Was it a 10 digits industry then? Apparently so. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phone_sex https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phone_sex) "By the end of the 1980s, nearly all of the major local phone companies in the United States, plus the major long-distance carriers, were actively involved in the phone sex business[...] In 2002 profits from phone sex were estimated at one billion dollars a year" And in relative terms in particular that seems pretty huge given how much smaller all the phone and online markets were compared to what they're now.
  - namaria 2y ago
    > And in relative terms Well the comparative change is kinda the point. OF is huge and content producers have a chance of making big bucks, as opposed to what was there before
snek_case 2y ago
I think it's more common now. I don't know that phone sex was ever all that popular, but OnlyFans is huge. Also, there's just a lot more sollicitations. On twitch you have gamer girls in skimpy outfits using the platform as a funnel to drive people to OF, and most of their audience is underage. They're on twitter and reddit as well. Just in general porn is a lot more prevalent and it's kind of leaking into other platforms, harder to completely avoid it. Also uh, I was on Facebook recently and they've added this reels feature, trying to be tiktok. Occasionally I browse my feed to see what my friends are up to, and in the reels (which can't be turned off) I see some underage girls doing really inappropriate things for views. I think this is really problematic. I don't want to be shown this, and I also feel upset that young girls are being encouraged by social media platforms to use their sexuality to get attention online (and make said platforms more money by doing so).
- rightbyte 2y ago
  > but OnlyFans is huge. Is it? Who in their right mind pays for porn? It could just aswell be a 98% money loundry scheme.
  - pjc50 2y ago
    In case you've not noticed, not all the public are in their right mind.
  - shadowerm 2y ago
    It is also in the interest of all those involved with OnlyFans to highly exaggerate all the $$$ figures. The people I have known that have made OnlyFans content made as little money as you would expect. There has always been money in porn though with a giant power law distribution. The only difference now is that instead of some sleazebag porn producer trying convince some woman they are the next Jenna Jameson, we have this sleazebag technology platform doing the same thing.
    - mikrotikker 2y ago
      Not to mention sleazebags hounding every woman on social media to do an only fans.

Is there that much difference between this and a phone sex cubicle worker in the 70s or 80s? It's been a commoditized job for ages. Slightly higher tech now, but basically still the same thing.

namaria 2y ago

Did phone sex operators stars get million dollar incomes in the 70s and 80s? Was it a 10 digits industry then?

vasco 2y ago
Globally probably - since now it is bigger. Have a look at Teleholding in the netherlands as an example, they printed money mostly with recordings not even people on the other side.
KaiserPro 2y ago
The company owners did. But the phone operators were (to my understanding) reasonably well paid. However income dropped off with the introduction of video chat(first on sky TV, then internets). One of my former colleagues bought a flat in london with the proceeds from their dancing in night clubs. Which I thought at the time, and still do, is might impressive. They keep that private, for a number of sadly obvious reasons, however they are not ashamed of it. They refused video chat, because it was less protected, and less anonymous. In a (good) club, you are protected by bouncers, no phones, no intimidation. OF and the rest you have limited control on who shares your stuff, so its much harder to be a part time model.
Barrin92 2y ago
>Was it a 10 digits industry then? Apparently so. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phone_sex https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phone_sex) "By the end of the 1980s, nearly all of the major local phone companies in the United States, plus the major long-distance carriers, were actively involved in the phone sex business[...] In 2002 profits from phone sex were estimated at one billion dollars a year" And in relative terms in particular that seems pretty huge given how much smaller all the phone and online markets were compared to what they're now.
- namaria 2y ago
  > And in relative terms Well the comparative change is kinda the point. OF is huge and content producers have a chance of making big bucks, as opposed to what was there before

snek_case 2y ago

I think it's more common now. I don't know that phone sex was ever all that popular, but OnlyFans is huge. Also, there's just a lot more sollicitations. On twitch you have gamer girls in skimpy outfits using the platform as a funnel to drive people to OF, and most of their audience is underage. They're on twitter and reddit as well. Just in general porn is a lot more prevalent and it's kind of leaking into other platforms, harder to completely avoid it. Also uh, I was on Facebook recently and they've added this reels feature, trying to be tiktok. Occasionally I browse my feed to see what my friends are up to, and in the reels (which can't be turned off) I see some underage girls doing really inappropriate things for views. I think this is really problematic. I don't want to be shown this, and I also feel upset that young girls are being encouraged by social media platforms to use their sexuality to get attention online (and make said platforms more money by doing so).

rightbyte 2y ago
> but OnlyFans is huge. Is it? Who in their right mind pays for porn? It could just aswell be a 98% money loundry scheme.
- pjc50 2y ago
  In case you've not noticed, not all the public are in their right mind.
- shadowerm 2y ago
  It is also in the interest of all those involved with OnlyFans to highly exaggerate all the $$$ figures. The people I have known that have made OnlyFans content made as little money as you would expect. There has always been money in porn though with a giant power law distribution. The only difference now is that instead of some sleazebag porn producer trying convince some woman they are the next Jenna Jameson, we have this sleazebag technology platform doing the same thing.
  - mikrotikker 2y ago
    Not to mention sleazebags hounding every woman on social media to do an only fans.