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Disagree pretty strongly with the first few paragraphs here. The vast majority of U.S. and U.K. citizens had jack-all to do with putting the fox in the henhouse

Disagree pretty strongly with the first few paragraphs here. The vast majority of U.S. and U.K. citizens had jack-all to do with putting the fox in the henhouse; financial regulators are appointed, not elected. But I agree with a large part of what you're saying. This is, in many ways, a systems problem and not a people problem. Even if it's a people problem at the local level, it's a systems problem at the macroscopic/scale level -- and so it's much more effective to work at the systems level than at the people level. That's what our regulations attempt to do: put in place systems, checks, and balances, that will prevent bad behavior via incentive structures and pure mechanics. Unfortunately, some of the key systems and stopgaps in place have been vastly eroded in recent years. And I'm not even talking about Glass-Steagall. I'm not even talking about the blatant failures in oversight that allowed the banks to grow as large, as consolidated, as vertically and horizontally integrated, and as systemically important to the economy as they are ("too big to fail"). I'm talking about things like the Citizens United decision, which will only exacerbate these problems in the long run by allowing money to completely influence our political system. It isn't the U.S. taxpayer who put the fox in charge of the henhouse. It's the fox who purchased the henhouse. That shouldn't be allowed to happen. Instead of playing a game of constant one-upmanship with financial regulations, forever trying to outwit the "financial hackers," we should start by drawing clearer divides between money and politics.

confluence 14y ago
Of course it isn't the common man I'm blaming - he has enough trouble paying the damn electricity bill! This is not the fault of the common man. This is the problem of intelligent people doing stupid things for selfish reasons. We (meaning those who understand these systems) must fight and convince the common man that regulation IS good IF the situation calls for it. People think regulation is bad and capitalism is good. We should convince them that both are great GIVEN the correct situation. I love capitalism - I also love having my electricity stay on and stable (remember Enron energy trading in Northern California people? - dark times (pun intended!). I merely state that regulation has a PR problem and that the people who have the ability to change that, should.
- jonnathanson 14y ago
  I agree. Somewhere in the last 30 years, to your point, the American people were sold the idea that regulation is the diametric opposite of "freedom," that trust-busting is "socialist," and other such nonsense. We need a modern-day Teddy Roosevelt, who can articulate in capitalist terms the importance of regulation and antitrust activity as vitally important to the health of the competitive, free market. Fact is, the market should have punished the malfeasors in the 2007 financial crash, as it should be punishing the malfeasors in the Libor scandal. Shareholders should be abandoning these banks, and the banks' access to capital should be severely restricted by sheer virtue of nobody's willingness to lend to them (or to lend to them at typical rates). But that couldn't happen in 2007, because, Lehman Bros aside, everyone got propped up, dusted off, and given a fresh coat of paint via taxpayer dollars. Because the banks were "too big to fail," and not bailing them out would have been catastrophic. Because nobody had ever stopped them from growing so big, and so systemically integrated, in the first place. The failsafes that should have prevented banks from being so directly tied to the macroeconomies of nations were not in place, and are still not in place. There is literally nothing in place right now that will prevent anything about the 2007 crisis from occurring again, and that is deeply troubling.
  - anamax 14y ago
    > Fact is, the market should have punished the malfeasors in the 2007 financial crash, as it should be punishing the malfeasors in the Libor scandal. Yes, it should have, but the regulators didn't want that to happen. However, you're missing a very important part of the story. Regulators were part of the problem leading up to these disasters. In the LIBOR case, UK regulators knew about the rigging and tacitly encouraged it because they thought that the rigging stabilized the market. (US regulators knew about and accepted said rigging.) That's understandable - many of you want them to stabilize the market and the rigging probably did have that effect. However, if you're looking for an honest market.... Things are even worse wrt the 2007 problems. Regulators were in that up to their eyeballs on both the mortgage and securities sides. (In fact, securitization was encouraged by regulators.) Fannie and Freddie were especially bad because they reported bogus stats that threw off everyone's risk analysis. Until we start punishing regulators and the politicians who push these policies....

confluence 14y ago

Of course it isn't the common man I'm blaming - he has enough trouble paying the damn electricity bill! This is not the fault of the common man. This is the problem of intelligent people doing stupid things for selfish reasons. We (meaning those who understand these systems) must fight and convince the common man that regulation IS good IF the situation calls for it. People think regulation is bad and capitalism is good. We should convince them that both are great GIVEN the correct situation. I love capitalism - I also love having my electricity stay on and stable (remember Enron energy trading in Northern California people? - dark times (pun intended!). I merely state that regulation has a PR problem and that the people who have the ability to change that, should.

jonnathanson 14y ago
I agree. Somewhere in the last 30 years, to your point, the American people were sold the idea that regulation is the diametric opposite of "freedom," that trust-busting is "socialist," and other such nonsense. We need a modern-day Teddy Roosevelt, who can articulate in capitalist terms the importance of regulation and antitrust activity as vitally important to the health of the competitive, free market. Fact is, the market should have punished the malfeasors in the 2007 financial crash, as it should be punishing the malfeasors in the Libor scandal. Shareholders should be abandoning these banks, and the banks' access to capital should be severely restricted by sheer virtue of nobody's willingness to lend to them (or to lend to them at typical rates). But that couldn't happen in 2007, because, Lehman Bros aside, everyone got propped up, dusted off, and given a fresh coat of paint via taxpayer dollars. Because the banks were "too big to fail," and not bailing them out would have been catastrophic. Because nobody had ever stopped them from growing so big, and so systemically integrated, in the first place. The failsafes that should have prevented banks from being so directly tied to the macroeconomies of nations were not in place, and are still not in place. There is literally nothing in place right now that will prevent anything about the 2007 crisis from occurring again, and that is deeply troubling.
- anamax 14y ago
  > Fact is, the market should have punished the malfeasors in the 2007 financial crash, as it should be punishing the malfeasors in the Libor scandal. Yes, it should have, but the regulators didn't want that to happen. However, you're missing a very important part of the story. Regulators were part of the problem leading up to these disasters. In the LIBOR case, UK regulators knew about the rigging and tacitly encouraged it because they thought that the rigging stabilized the market. (US regulators knew about and accepted said rigging.) That's understandable - many of you want them to stabilize the market and the rigging probably did have that effect. However, if you're looking for an honest market.... Things are even worse wrt the 2007 problems. Regulators were in that up to their eyeballs on both the mortgage and securities sides. (In fact, securitization was encouraged by regulators.) Fannie and Freddie were especially bad because they reported bogus stats that threw off everyone's risk analysis. Until we start punishing regulators and the politicians who push these policies....