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Ukraine's capabilities in that domain are plausibly far more advanced that America's. Also - costs, casualties, & collateral damage may be far more acceptable

Ukraine's capabilities in that domain are plausibly far more advanced that America's. Also - costs, casualties, & collateral damage may be far more acceptable in an active war zone, and against drones which are busy killing people & destroying valuables whenever they are not shot down.

TheOtherHobbes 2y ago
Ukraine's capabilities mostly consist of ramming a cheap drone into an expensive one. This is one of those times when the US has a Maginot Military - massively overpowered against traditional threats, inexperienced when dealing with something like this. This is not a trivial problem. A cheap drone with a relatively small explosive payload flown into an air intake can take down a military aircraft and cause serious problems for an airliner or private jet. An airfield is the ideal place to do that, because aircraft are most vulnerable during takeoff and landing. A few people and a hundred drones launched from a few km away can significantly delay incoming and outgoing flights. Equip the drones with weapons - or larger explosives - and it's potentially Pearl Harbour.
- potato3732842 2y ago
  That's kind of reductive. I know some people who have, uh, relevant experience. The cheap drones are pretty comprehensively engineered and they're complex in the same way that a ballpoint pen is not as trivial to manufacture as it looks. But yeah, Maginot Military sounds about right.
  - ponector 2y ago
    But they engage only big drones. Like reconnaissance Orlan or Zala, maybe lancet. No one is shooting down fpv quadcopters, not yet.
    - coretx 2y ago
      Shotguns are being used for that purpose. Single buckshot from the top of a AR barrel are in vogue too. Someone should use a cheap arduino and a mike for aiming and shooting at fpv quadcopters. I really don't understand why that's not here yet. They can literally convert a toy from github.
      - potato3732842 2y ago
        They are "being used" but shotguns are the last line of defense. Good luck stopping a little FPV drone with one. If you do not disable it by 50ft you dead. And you have like 10% odds. Way better than 1% odds you might have with a rifle or nothing but... Jamming is first line of defense, a million times more effective FWIW.
        coretx 2y ago
        One counter measure is no counter measure. If you look at toys like https://hackaday.com/2023/06/13/arduino-powered-missile-system-uses-ultrasound-to-aim/ https://hackaday.com/2023/06/13/arduino-powered-missile-syst... and scale it up with bigger and stronger servo's for holding a shotgun instead of fake missiles; you'll have a second war - with the arms industry. For a bonus you'll also win the war of economy because the bill of materials costs less than a mad maxed FPV drone given you source the shotgun from the land.
- ZYbCRq22HbJ2y7 2y ago
  Source? AFIK, the US trains soldiers in drone countermeasures, small and large. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xb5qMvie9sU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xb5qMvie9sU

TheOtherHobbes 2y ago

Ukraine's capabilities mostly consist of ramming a cheap drone into an expensive one. This is one of those times when the US has a Maginot Military - massively overpowered against traditional threats, inexperienced when dealing with something like this. This is not a trivial problem. A cheap drone with a relatively small explosive payload flown into an air intake can take down a military aircraft and cause serious problems for an airliner or private jet. An airfield is the ideal place to do that, because aircraft are most vulnerable during takeoff and landing. A few people and a hundred drones launched from a few km away can significantly delay incoming and outgoing flights. Equip the drones with weapons - or larger explosives - and it's potentially Pearl Harbour.

potato3732842 2y ago
That's kind of reductive. I know some people who have, uh, relevant experience. The cheap drones are pretty comprehensively engineered and they're complex in the same way that a ballpoint pen is not as trivial to manufacture as it looks. But yeah, Maginot Military sounds about right.
- ponector 2y ago
  But they engage only big drones. Like reconnaissance Orlan or Zala, maybe lancet. No one is shooting down fpv quadcopters, not yet.
  - coretx 2y ago
    Shotguns are being used for that purpose. Single buckshot from the top of a AR barrel are in vogue too. Someone should use a cheap arduino and a mike for aiming and shooting at fpv quadcopters. I really don't understand why that's not here yet. They can literally convert a toy from github.
    - potato3732842 2y ago
      They are "being used" but shotguns are the last line of defense. Good luck stopping a little FPV drone with one. If you do not disable it by 50ft you dead. And you have like 10% odds. Way better than 1% odds you might have with a rifle or nothing but... Jamming is first line of defense, a million times more effective FWIW.
      - coretx 2y ago
        One counter measure is no counter measure. If you look at toys like https://hackaday.com/2023/06/13/arduino-powered-missile-system-uses-ultrasound-to-aim/ https://hackaday.com/2023/06/13/arduino-powered-missile-syst... and scale it up with bigger and stronger servo's for holding a shotgun instead of fake missiles; you'll have a second war - with the arms industry. For a bonus you'll also win the war of economy because the bill of materials costs less than a mad maxed FPV drone given you source the shotgun from the land.
ZYbCRq22HbJ2y7 2y ago
Source? AFIK, the US trains soldiers in drone countermeasures, small and large. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xb5qMvie9sU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xb5qMvie9sU