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I think it's also entirely reasonable to expect parents to actually parent, instead of installing foam bumpers and a nanny state everywhere in case some kid hur

I think it's also entirely reasonable to expect parents to actually parent, instead of installing foam bumpers and a nanny state everywhere in case some kid hurts themselves. If the parents weren't absent and actually used parental controls, the kids wouldn't have even been able to download the app, which is explicitly marked as 17+. C.AI's entire customer base consists of those that like the edgy, unrestricted AI, and they shouldn't have to suffer a neutered product because of some lazy parents.

ethbr1 2y ago
It's a bit easy, from the historical perspective of pre-always-available-internet, to say "Parents should do more." At some future point though, maybe we need to accept that social changes are necessary to account for a default firewall-less exposure of a developing mind to the full horrors of the world's information systems (and the terrible people using them).
- anonzzzies 2y ago
  You would have to continuously monitor everything, everywhere; before the internet, in the 80s, it was easy for us to get porn (mags/vhs), weed, all kinds of books that glorify death or whatever, music in that similar vain. Hell, they even had and read from a bible in some schools then; talk about indoctrination of often scary fiction. Some kids had different parents so to not allow us to see or get our hands on these things, parents and teachers would need sit with us every waking moment; it's not possible (or healthy imho). With access to a phone or laptop, all bets are off: everything is there, doesn't matter what restraints are in place; kids know how to install vpns, pick birthdates, use torrent, or, more innocent, go to a forum (these days social media but forums are still there) about something they love and go to other parts of the same forum where other stuff happens. Be good parents, educate about what happens in the world including that people irl but definitely online might not be serious about what they say and that you should not take anything without critical thought. And for stuff that will happen anyway; sex, drugs etc, make sure it's a controlled environment as much as possible. Not much more you can do to protect from the big, bad world. Chat bots are similarly genies that are not possible to keep in, no matter what levels or restraint or law are put in place; you can torrent ollama or whatever with llama 3.3 locally. There are easy to get nsfw bots everywhere, including on decentralised shares. It is not possible to prevent them talking about anything as they do not understand anything; they helpfully generate stuff which is a great invention and I use them all the time, but they lie and tell strange things sometimes. People do too, only people would have a reason maybe; to get a reaction, to be mean etc; doubt you could sue them in a similar case. Of course a big company would need to do something to try to prevent is: they cannot (as said above), so they can just make character ai 18+ with Cc payment in their name as kyc (then the parents have a problem if that happens you would think) and cover their asses; plenty commercial and free ones kids will get instead. And some of those are far 'worse'.
zeroonetwothree 2y ago
It’s not so easy to parent an autistic child.
- mewpmewp2 2y ago
  In this case, if we are basing it on screenshot samples, it does seem to me that the parents were lazy, narcissistic and manipulative. Based on what the kid was telling to AI themselves. AI was calling it out in a manner of an edgy teenager, but AI was ultimately right here. These weren't good parents.
empath75 2y ago
It was 12+ at the time and only recently changed to 17+
998244353 2y ago
> the kids wouldn't have even been able to download the app, which is explicitly marked as 17+ The kid is 17.
- xvector 2y ago
  Parenting still needs to happen, especially if your 17-year old child is autistic as was the case in this article - they do not have the maturity of a typical 17-year old.

ethbr1 2y ago

It's a bit easy, from the historical perspective of pre-always-available-internet, to say "Parents should do more." At some future point though, maybe we need to accept that social changes are necessary to account for a default firewall-less exposure of a developing mind to the full horrors of the world's information systems (and the terrible people using them).

anonzzzies 2y ago
You would have to continuously monitor everything, everywhere; before the internet, in the 80s, it was easy for us to get porn (mags/vhs), weed, all kinds of books that glorify death or whatever, music in that similar vain. Hell, they even had and read from a bible in some schools then; talk about indoctrination of often scary fiction. Some kids had different parents so to not allow us to see or get our hands on these things, parents and teachers would need sit with us every waking moment; it's not possible (or healthy imho). With access to a phone or laptop, all bets are off: everything is there, doesn't matter what restraints are in place; kids know how to install vpns, pick birthdates, use torrent, or, more innocent, go to a forum (these days social media but forums are still there) about something they love and go to other parts of the same forum where other stuff happens. Be good parents, educate about what happens in the world including that people irl but definitely online might not be serious about what they say and that you should not take anything without critical thought. And for stuff that will happen anyway; sex, drugs etc, make sure it's a controlled environment as much as possible. Not much more you can do to protect from the big, bad world. Chat bots are similarly genies that are not possible to keep in, no matter what levels or restraint or law are put in place; you can torrent ollama or whatever with llama 3.3 locally. There are easy to get nsfw bots everywhere, including on decentralised shares. It is not possible to prevent them talking about anything as they do not understand anything; they helpfully generate stuff which is a great invention and I use them all the time, but they lie and tell strange things sometimes. People do too, only people would have a reason maybe; to get a reaction, to be mean etc; doubt you could sue them in a similar case. Of course a big company would need to do something to try to prevent is: they cannot (as said above), so they can just make character ai 18+ with Cc payment in their name as kyc (then the parents have a problem if that happens you would think) and cover their asses; plenty commercial and free ones kids will get instead. And some of those are far 'worse'.

zeroonetwothree 2y ago

It’s not so easy to parent an autistic child.

mewpmewp2 2y ago
In this case, if we are basing it on screenshot samples, it does seem to me that the parents were lazy, narcissistic and manipulative. Based on what the kid was telling to AI themselves. AI was calling it out in a manner of an edgy teenager, but AI was ultimately right here. These weren't good parents.

empath75 2y ago

It was 12+ at the time and only recently changed to 17+

998244353 2y ago

> the kids wouldn't have even been able to download the app, which is explicitly marked as 17+ The kid is 17.

xvector 2y ago
Parenting still needs to happen, especially if your 17-year old child is autistic as was the case in this article - they do not have the maturity of a typical 17-year old.