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Sure... That's why nearly all the top contributors through out time have been paid to full-time work on WordPress by an entity related to Matt... Because free l

Sure... That's why nearly all the top contributors through out time have been paid to full-time work on WordPress by an entity related to Matt... Because free labour... Using WordPress and paying attention to Trac are two different things.

whalesalad 2y ago
There was a time where wordpress.com did not exist, you are glossing over that.
- that_guy_iain 2y ago
  But that time is long gone and WordPress being what is it today fundamentally depends on paid labour and not free labour. It would have withered to the side like other CMSes that depended on free labour. Nearly every top contributor that we can see in the WordPress commit history was paid.
  - whalesalad 2y ago
    You’re mistaken friend. Just because that time is “long gone” doesn’t mean it wasn’t paramount to the success of this platform. A disproportionate amount of work towards the WP ecosystem has been unpaid.
    - that_guy_iain 2y ago
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      - whalesalad 2y ago
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      - akuchling 2y ago
        You're motte-and-baileying here, since you began with "WordPress has been built by people employed by Matt either via Automattic or via his other entities", and are now writing "WordPress would not be where it is today if it depended on free labour." The second sentence is unquestionably true, but doesn't mean that "every piece of Wordpress was produced by paid labour".
        that_guy_iain 2y ago
        > You're motte-and-baileying here, I disagree. They're fundamentally the same at the core. The argument at hand is whether or not Matt is where he is because of free labour. And the answer to that is a clear no. Automattic would not be a multi-billion dollar company because WordPress powers so much of the internet that Automattic gets lots of hosting customers. WordPress has such a big market share because Matt has invested heavily in the open-source version of WordPress. And since the argument is based on wether of not Matt is where he is because of free labour the other person needs to prove that he is. I can't prove a negative. I can prove that nearly all the top contributors to the project have been paid by an entity related to Matt. While you've attempted to frame the argument as something else, I believe that would be considered a strawman fallacy.
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whalesalad 2y ago

There was a time where wordpress.com did not exist, you are glossing over that.

that_guy_iain 2y ago
But that time is long gone and WordPress being what is it today fundamentally depends on paid labour and not free labour. It would have withered to the side like other CMSes that depended on free labour. Nearly every top contributor that we can see in the WordPress commit history was paid.
- whalesalad 2y ago
  You’re mistaken friend. Just because that time is “long gone” doesn’t mean it wasn’t paramount to the success of this platform. A disproportionate amount of work towards the WP ecosystem has been unpaid.
  - that_guy_iain 2y ago
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    - whalesalad 2y ago
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    - akuchling 2y ago
      You're motte-and-baileying here, since you began with "WordPress has been built by people employed by Matt either via Automattic or via his other entities", and are now writing "WordPress would not be where it is today if it depended on free labour." The second sentence is unquestionably true, but doesn't mean that "every piece of Wordpress was produced by paid labour".
      - that_guy_iain 2y ago
        > You're motte-and-baileying here, I disagree. They're fundamentally the same at the core. The argument at hand is whether or not Matt is where he is because of free labour. And the answer to that is a clear no. Automattic would not be a multi-billion dollar company because WordPress powers so much of the internet that Automattic gets lots of hosting customers. WordPress has such a big market share because Matt has invested heavily in the open-source version of WordPress. And since the argument is based on wether of not Matt is where he is because of free labour the other person needs to prove that he is. I can't prove a negative. I can prove that nearly all the top contributors to the project have been paid by an entity related to Matt. While you've attempted to frame the argument as something else, I believe that would be considered a strawman fallacy.
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