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People are trying to make being overweight as something acceptable instead of a condition to be treated.

formerly_proven 2y ago
majority and all
BadHumans 2y ago
"People" is doing some heavy lifting here. There are some fringe people on trying to push that but most people I see are trying to explain that the main problem with obesity is that it is a food supply and class problem.
- dsign 2y ago
  There are also tons and tons of people trying to lose weight, and having an awful time at it :-) . Just three minutes ago I was summarizing 2024 for myself. I did an awful lot of SUP, and tried to lose weight. Results: weight decreased, then increased back when I got into a relationship that included unhealthy habits. I got rid of the factors that worked against my weight control effort and now things are looking up again. But most people in my age are married and with kids, and they are not going to leave or even fight their significant other and the kids over the family's eating habits....
  - teaearlgraycold 2y ago
    Gotta set the family eating habits right from the start.
- zer8k 2y ago
  I would not call billboards for clothing featuring morbidly obese people "fringe". "Fat acceptance" is actually quite popular. It's not fringe. Fringe is being a furry. The entire medical field walks on egg shells because of so called "fatphobia".
  - BadHumans 2y ago
    You are going to show me an example because people don't really know what morbidly obese means I've learned. You also say fringe is being a furry as if there are 10 or 20 furries and not millions of them.
    - anigbrowl 2y ago
      Probably referring to the recent Calvin KLein ad campaign. Nike also ran a campaign featuring plus size models.
- IncreasePosts 2y ago
  I'm not so sure about that, especially with all the commentary coming out of the Brian Thompson murder. A lot of people are angry about the fact that the US spends the most on healthcare, but we don't actually live that long - with the implication that healthcare here in the US is a racket just stealing our money and not helping us. But, why don't we live very long, compared to other people? A big reason is probably how fat we are, and how little we take care of our bodies. The best health care system in the world won't be able to fix you if you've ignored doctors orders to lose weight for 30 years and then have some health issues associated with that. So, while people aren't explicitly saying "being fat is great", they are implicitly saying it, by pointing to something other than our own lifestyle choices as to the reason why we have bad health outcomes relative to the amount we spend on healthcare.
teaearlgraycold 2y ago
People are trying to remove middle-school grade social behavior against people that are overweight. When I see someone that’s overweight I should simply see a person. Their doctor and loved ones should highlight the issue because they want them to live better. But if they’re a stranger, coworker, or anything but a close friend it’s not appropriate for someone to step in and start commenting. They shouldn’t even think about that. Not to mention that people confuse health standards and beauty standards. Being a little rounded is of no health risk. And you can be very overweight (like a sumo wrestler) and very fit at the same time if you are both exercising and eating in excess.
- psunavy03 2y ago
  Pretty sure the long-term effects of sumo wrestling are not great for the wrestlers any more than they are for offensive linemen in American football.
  - teaearlgraycold 2y ago
    Sure. But the point is there are some fat people that can do things your average skinny office worker never has. I’ve seen chubby guys cycling up mountains in the Bay Area like they do it every week. There’s an interesting article I read a while back where a woman (who was heavy in part due to muscle mass but also body fat) went to a personal trainer to improve her cycling performance. She had just cycled from SF to LA. Even though the trainer was a professional, certified and likely had a degree, he could not mentally shift from the idea that she was there just to lose weight. To be fair, carrying less weight will make your cycling performance improve. But from what I recall he was running it like a weight loss program and assumed she’d never been in a gym before. She had filled out a form with all of her exercise history and goals. I would have expected him to work up her back squat, weighted lunges, etc. At least as part of the program.
    - deadbabe 2y ago
      It doesn’t matter if some fat people are active, the fat is still hurting their bodies. How are their knees doing? How is the stress on their heart? Their arteries? When was the last time they could even stand with their arms hanging down straight at their sides instead of pushed out perpetually at an angle? When you’re fat for a long time, you forget what it’s like to be light weight, you forget how easy everything feels. Being fat is like walking around with a two 25 pound dumbbells strapped to your body everywhere you go. My fatter friends complain when we go to a dense concert or festival and I can just turn sideways to slip easily through crowds, leaving them behind. Trivial things like this is what you forget when your body has become too large.
karaterobot 2y ago
The problem is that there is no behavioral solution that ever has been empirically proven to work across a broad population, over a long term. And while "just eat less" has an intuitive appeal as a treatment strategy, alas, it's been shown again and again to be a dead end in practice, much as "just don't spend money" or "just do less heroin" don't seem be effective treatments for poverty or addiction. It is sometimes difficult to get over the bias that what seems intuitively effective in theory is not actually so in practice. But, as we're evidence-driven people, we need to look elsewhere. Surgical interventions, and GLP-1 receptor antagonists work, but they are expensive and there is limited access to them at present. So, as of today while I agree that it is a condition to be treated, there are no effective treatment options for a population, which is the scope of what this article is talking about. Thus the situation we're in.

majority and all

"People" is doing some heavy lifting here. There are some fringe people on trying to push that but most people I see are trying to explain that the main problem with obesity is that it is a food supply and class problem.

dsign 2y ago
There are also tons and tons of people trying to lose weight, and having an awful time at it :-) . Just three minutes ago I was summarizing 2024 for myself. I did an awful lot of SUP, and tried to lose weight. Results: weight decreased, then increased back when I got into a relationship that included unhealthy habits. I got rid of the factors that worked against my weight control effort and now things are looking up again. But most people in my age are married and with kids, and they are not going to leave or even fight their significant other and the kids over the family's eating habits....
- teaearlgraycold 2y ago
  Gotta set the family eating habits right from the start.
zer8k 2y ago
I would not call billboards for clothing featuring morbidly obese people "fringe". "Fat acceptance" is actually quite popular. It's not fringe. Fringe is being a furry. The entire medical field walks on egg shells because of so called "fatphobia".
- BadHumans 2y ago
  You are going to show me an example because people don't really know what morbidly obese means I've learned. You also say fringe is being a furry as if there are 10 or 20 furries and not millions of them.
  - anigbrowl 2y ago
    Probably referring to the recent Calvin KLein ad campaign. Nike also ran a campaign featuring plus size models.
IncreasePosts 2y ago
I'm not so sure about that, especially with all the commentary coming out of the Brian Thompson murder. A lot of people are angry about the fact that the US spends the most on healthcare, but we don't actually live that long - with the implication that healthcare here in the US is a racket just stealing our money and not helping us. But, why don't we live very long, compared to other people? A big reason is probably how fat we are, and how little we take care of our bodies. The best health care system in the world won't be able to fix you if you've ignored doctors orders to lose weight for 30 years and then have some health issues associated with that. So, while people aren't explicitly saying "being fat is great", they are implicitly saying it, by pointing to something other than our own lifestyle choices as to the reason why we have bad health outcomes relative to the amount we spend on healthcare.

teaearlgraycold 2y ago

People are trying to remove middle-school grade social behavior against people that are overweight. When I see someone that’s overweight I should simply see a person. Their doctor and loved ones should highlight the issue because they want them to live better. But if they’re a stranger, coworker, or anything but a close friend it’s not appropriate for someone to step in and start commenting. They shouldn’t even think about that. Not to mention that people confuse health standards and beauty standards. Being a little rounded is of no health risk. And you can be very overweight (like a sumo wrestler) and very fit at the same time if you are both exercising and eating in excess.

psunavy03 2y ago
Pretty sure the long-term effects of sumo wrestling are not great for the wrestlers any more than they are for offensive linemen in American football.
- teaearlgraycold 2y ago
  Sure. But the point is there are some fat people that can do things your average skinny office worker never has. I’ve seen chubby guys cycling up mountains in the Bay Area like they do it every week. There’s an interesting article I read a while back where a woman (who was heavy in part due to muscle mass but also body fat) went to a personal trainer to improve her cycling performance. She had just cycled from SF to LA. Even though the trainer was a professional, certified and likely had a degree, he could not mentally shift from the idea that she was there just to lose weight. To be fair, carrying less weight will make your cycling performance improve. But from what I recall he was running it like a weight loss program and assumed she’d never been in a gym before. She had filled out a form with all of her exercise history and goals. I would have expected him to work up her back squat, weighted lunges, etc. At least as part of the program.
  - deadbabe 2y ago
    It doesn’t matter if some fat people are active, the fat is still hurting their bodies. How are their knees doing? How is the stress on their heart? Their arteries? When was the last time they could even stand with their arms hanging down straight at their sides instead of pushed out perpetually at an angle? When you’re fat for a long time, you forget what it’s like to be light weight, you forget how easy everything feels. Being fat is like walking around with a two 25 pound dumbbells strapped to your body everywhere you go. My fatter friends complain when we go to a dense concert or festival and I can just turn sideways to slip easily through crowds, leaving them behind. Trivial things like this is what you forget when your body has become too large.

karaterobot 2y ago

The problem is that there is no behavioral solution that ever has been empirically proven to work across a broad population, over a long term. And while "just eat less" has an intuitive appeal as a treatment strategy, alas, it's been shown again and again to be a dead end in practice, much as "just don't spend money" or "just do less heroin" don't seem be effective treatments for poverty or addiction. It is sometimes difficult to get over the bias that what seems intuitively effective in theory is not actually so in practice. But, as we're evidence-driven people, we need to look elsewhere. Surgical interventions, and GLP-1 receptor antagonists work, but they are expensive and there is limited access to them at present. So, as of today while I agree that it is a condition to be treated, there are no effective treatment options for a population, which is the scope of what this article is talking about. Thus the situation we're in.