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When has it been otherwise? See also: Hunter Biden.

by ARandomerDude 2y ago

zer8k 2y ago
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- ceejayoz 2y ago
  > The Hunter Biden pardon literally set historical precedent. It followed a long-established historical precedent. Clinton pardoned his brother (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Clinton_pardon_controversy https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Clinton_pardon_controvers...). The Bushes pardoned their Iran Contra cronies (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scooter_Libby_clemency_controversy https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scooter_Libby_clemency_controv...). Trump pardoned his son-in-law's father (and now appointed him to be the French ambassador; https://www.cbsnews.com/news/trump-charles-kushner-nomination-ambassador-to-france/ https://www.cbsnews.com/news/trump-charles-kushner-nominatio...). Pardons have always garnered controversy.
  - capybaraStorm 2y ago
    I promise this is an honest question: has ANY president since the civil war reconciliation blanket pardoned someone for an entire decade for all known and unknown federal crimes?
    - ceejayoz 2y ago
      There's a pretty big obvious example. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pardon_of_Richard_Nixon https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pardon_of_Richard_Nixon > Now, Therefore, I, Gerald R. Ford, President of the United States, pursuant to the pardon power conferred upon me by Article II, Section 2, of the Constitution, have granted and by these presents do grant a full, free, and absolute pardon unto Richard Nixon for all offenses against the United States which he, Richard Nixon, has committed or may have committed or taken part in during the period from January 20, 1969 through August 9, 1974.
      - capybaraStorm 2y ago
        That is damn close. This one is quite interesting in and of its twice as long and concerns someone who doesn't have the kind of immunity presidents have recently been under scrutiny for possibly having. Another interesting thing I found about Hunter's pardon was that the president openly said isolated prosecutions of lying on the 4473 are unfairly targeted, but then baffling only pardoned his son for it.
    - Pxtl 2y ago
      Ford. For Nixon.
    - strbean 2y ago
      Not quite a decade, and not as broad in terms of what crimes are covered, but much bigger in terms of scope: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proclamation_4483 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proclamation_4483
- HumblyTossed 2y ago
  Biden wouldn't have to preemptively pardon anyone if there were not about to be a shit ton of sham prosecutions.
  - capybaraStorm 2y ago
    If you think prosecutions are shams for the elite, wait until you see what they look like against the plebs.
davidw 2y ago
It's never 0 or 100. But it does ebb and flow, and boy is it about to flow. Comparing one guy who was in the hot seat only because of his surname to the incoming shit storm is risible.
- Natsu 2y ago
  Can you point us to videos of other people doing lots of federal drug & gun crimes who get away with it?
  - davidw 2y ago
    They rejected a plea deal. That almost never happens. He was 100% guilty of some things, but they wanted to drag out the whole process for publicity rather than to actually do some semblance of 'justice'. And some of these incoming people threatened to keep going after him just to inflict pain on his father. These are no longer the party of Romney and McCain. "The cruelty is the point".
    - Natsu 2y ago
      > They rejected a plea deal. That almost never happens They rejected it because it was worded to absolve him of all crimes, not just those charged, and the judge found the parties did not agree on which interpretation was correct so there was no agreement. It is completely appropriate for the court to want to know exactly what the plea agreement covers and to make sure both sides actually agree on the meaning of it. They could have ended it by coming up with a simple, normal plea agreement that doesn't have that strange ambiguity. If anything, that looks more like an attempt to do a backdoor non-pardon pardon than some kind of persecution. It was only "dragged out" because Biden's DoJ did not agree in court with Hunter Biden's lawyers on what they had actually agreed to. And despite the "they" in your sentence seeming to refer to Republicans in some capacity, from start to finish, the Hunter Biden prosecution was done by Joe Biden's Department of Justice. You may complain that the judge was appointed by Trump, but the charges couldn't have been brought to begin with without Biden's DoJ authorizing it.
- josteink 2y ago
Pxtl 2y ago
The only reason Biden pardoned his son was that Trump explicitly said he was going to use the DoJ for a punitive witch-hunt. No father would ever subject their child to that. If Harris had won, Biden would not have pardoned Hunter. Likely Harris would've pardoned him in a year or two after he'd seen prison.

When has it been otherwise? See also: Hunter Biden.

zer8k 2y ago

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ceejayoz 2y ago
> The Hunter Biden pardon literally set historical precedent. It followed a long-established historical precedent. Clinton pardoned his brother (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Clinton_pardon_controversy https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Clinton_pardon_controvers...). The Bushes pardoned their Iran Contra cronies (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scooter_Libby_clemency_controversy https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scooter_Libby_clemency_controv...). Trump pardoned his son-in-law's father (and now appointed him to be the French ambassador; https://www.cbsnews.com/news/trump-charles-kushner-nomination-ambassador-to-france/ https://www.cbsnews.com/news/trump-charles-kushner-nominatio...). Pardons have always garnered controversy.
- capybaraStorm 2y ago
  I promise this is an honest question: has ANY president since the civil war reconciliation blanket pardoned someone for an entire decade for all known and unknown federal crimes?
  - ceejayoz 2y ago
    There's a pretty big obvious example. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pardon_of_Richard_Nixon https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pardon_of_Richard_Nixon > Now, Therefore, I, Gerald R. Ford, President of the United States, pursuant to the pardon power conferred upon me by Article II, Section 2, of the Constitution, have granted and by these presents do grant a full, free, and absolute pardon unto Richard Nixon for all offenses against the United States which he, Richard Nixon, has committed or may have committed or taken part in during the period from January 20, 1969 through August 9, 1974.
    - capybaraStorm 2y ago
      That is damn close. This one is quite interesting in and of its twice as long and concerns someone who doesn't have the kind of immunity presidents have recently been under scrutiny for possibly having. Another interesting thing I found about Hunter's pardon was that the president openly said isolated prosecutions of lying on the 4473 are unfairly targeted, but then baffling only pardoned his son for it.
  - Pxtl 2y ago
    Ford. For Nixon.
  - strbean 2y ago
    Not quite a decade, and not as broad in terms of what crimes are covered, but much bigger in terms of scope: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proclamation_4483 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proclamation_4483
HumblyTossed 2y ago
Biden wouldn't have to preemptively pardon anyone if there were not about to be a shit ton of sham prosecutions.
- capybaraStorm 2y ago
  If you think prosecutions are shams for the elite, wait until you see what they look like against the plebs.

davidw 2y ago

It's never 0 or 100. But it does ebb and flow, and boy is it about to flow. Comparing one guy who was in the hot seat only because of his surname to the incoming shit storm is risible.

Natsu 2y ago
Can you point us to videos of other people doing lots of federal drug & gun crimes who get away with it?
- davidw 2y ago
  They rejected a plea deal. That almost never happens. He was 100% guilty of some things, but they wanted to drag out the whole process for publicity rather than to actually do some semblance of 'justice'. And some of these incoming people threatened to keep going after him just to inflict pain on his father. These are no longer the party of Romney and McCain. "The cruelty is the point".
  - Natsu 2y ago
    > They rejected a plea deal. That almost never happens They rejected it because it was worded to absolve him of all crimes, not just those charged, and the judge found the parties did not agree on which interpretation was correct so there was no agreement. It is completely appropriate for the court to want to know exactly what the plea agreement covers and to make sure both sides actually agree on the meaning of it. They could have ended it by coming up with a simple, normal plea agreement that doesn't have that strange ambiguity. If anything, that looks more like an attempt to do a backdoor non-pardon pardon than some kind of persecution. It was only "dragged out" because Biden's DoJ did not agree in court with Hunter Biden's lawyers on what they had actually agreed to. And despite the "they" in your sentence seeming to refer to Republicans in some capacity, from start to finish, the Hunter Biden prosecution was done by Joe Biden's Department of Justice. You may complain that the judge was appointed by Trump, but the charges couldn't have been brought to begin with without Biden's DoJ authorizing it.
josteink 2y ago

Pxtl 2y ago

The only reason Biden pardoned his son was that Trump explicitly said he was going to use the DoJ for a punitive witch-hunt. No father would ever subject their child to that. If Harris had won, Biden would not have pardoned Hunter. Likely Harris would've pardoned him in a year or two after he'd seen prison.