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He's been ignoring the courts. I don't know what you want them to do? I guess they could put him in prison, but I'm guessing that would be considered harsh to

He's been ignoring the courts. I don't know what you want them to do? I guess they could put him in prison, but I'm guessing that would be considered harsh too. Again, for the 2nd time, its not what he's done, it's that he's ignoring everyone telling him to stop, including the government. I don't know what you expect the punishment for that to be. If it were you or I we would have had our asses dragged into prison a long time ago. He's only gotten this far because of his money.

Nathanba 2y ago
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- judge2020 2y ago
  There are countless documents showing his contempt of court, failure to produce discovery, etc.
  - Nathanba 2y ago
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    - yladiz 2y ago
      It’s been proven in court.
    - jjeaff 2y ago
      You seem to be completely uninformed about the case. Jones has repeatedly defied the court, hidden evidence, refused to comply. He spent years lying about the parents causing them to be harassed constantly. Ruining their already ruined lives. He caused these parents to have to move multiple times to get away from his insane listeners. All the while, privately, Jones knew he was wrong. We know this from his private communications that his own attorneys accidentally turned over. To this day, Jones continues to spout lies about the court and the judge after multiple court orders and contempts of court. No amount of money is enough to undo the damage Jones has done. But taking it all is at least a start. He is a sociopathic cancer and deserves to be in jail.
  - JacobThreeThree 2y ago
    Actually, the default judgement doesn't go into any specifics about what he failed to produce in discovery. The Jones lawyers argued that the discovery requests were for documents that don't exist, and that's why they were not produced.
    - ceejayoz 2y ago
      > The Jones lawyers argued that the discovery requests were for documents that don't exist, and that's why they were not produced. And then they accidentally sent all of the non-existent documents to the plaintiffs, showing Jones had committed perjury. And then they forgot to claim it as privileged in a timely fashion. And then Jones got confronted with the lie in court. And then they got sanctioned for the fuckup. Oops. https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/alex-jones-lawyers-accidentally-leak-years-emails-infowars-financial-d-rcna41378 https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/alex-jones-lawyers-acci... https://apnews.com/article/legal-proceedings-fraud-crime-connecticut-texas-2c5bca5300b2bda02b60f6181632be6d https://apnews.com/article/legal-proceedings-fraud-crime-con...
      - JacobThreeThree 2y ago
        >And then they accidentally sent all of the non-existent documents to the plaintiffs That's not what these two linked articles say. The AP articles about this state that the improper conduct was about disclosure of information the plaintiffs had sent the Jones legal team. Nothing to do with discovery that was requested from Jones.
        ceejayoz 2y ago
        https://www.newstimes.com/news/article/Alex-Jones-cellphone-records-were-mistakenly-17348921.php https://www.newstimes.com/news/article/Alex-Jones-cellphone-... > During parts of his testimony stretching over two days in a Texas courtroom, Jones repeatedly told jurors that he does not use email and that he had searched the contents of his phone for messages pertaining to Sandy Hook after he was sued by several family members of the victims for falsely saying the shooting was a hoax. > Jones said that his phone search, done during the discovery phase of the trial, did not turn up any relevant messages. Texas Judge Maya Guerra Gamble has already ruled in favor of Sandy Hook parents Neil Heslin and Scarlett Lewis by default, saying that Jones did not comply with the rules of discovery in the case.
cooper_ganglia 2y ago
Call me crazy, but I don't think the government should be able to "tell you to stop talking" about something just because it makes some people upset.
- acdha 2y ago
  You’re welcome to try to get the laws against defamation repealed but until then there is a specific legal standard which was met in this case. If you think that’s unfair, perhaps start by asking yourself whether his lawyers made the same argument and why it failed.
roenxi 2y ago
Prison would probably be better. I don't think they should let him off the hook, but I'd expect a lot of people lie in court and flashy penalties for Jones aren't going to change that, so there are questions here about consistency of outcome for people going to court. Given that his lawyers were in on it it is questionable whether he does actually understand the risks of his actions, he appears to be getting very bad quality legal support. He could be go to court every day of his life, lie continuously, fight them every step of the way and it still wouldn't do a level of harm that justify some of the payouts. They are huge, numbers have been tossed around in the range of billions. The engineering value of an entire human life is only around the 10 million mark. And the courts agree with a lot of that because these are punitive damages, so it is very much a judgement call about what is appropriate. It doesn't look like the judges are doing a great job on that front. The punishments are too extreme; from the outside it looks like Jones targeting these people was the best thing that ever happened to them by a wide margin.

Nathanba 2y ago

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judge2020 2y ago
There are countless documents showing his contempt of court, failure to produce discovery, etc.
- Nathanba 2y ago
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  - yladiz 2y ago
    It’s been proven in court.
  - jjeaff 2y ago
    You seem to be completely uninformed about the case. Jones has repeatedly defied the court, hidden evidence, refused to comply. He spent years lying about the parents causing them to be harassed constantly. Ruining their already ruined lives. He caused these parents to have to move multiple times to get away from his insane listeners. All the while, privately, Jones knew he was wrong. We know this from his private communications that his own attorneys accidentally turned over. To this day, Jones continues to spout lies about the court and the judge after multiple court orders and contempts of court. No amount of money is enough to undo the damage Jones has done. But taking it all is at least a start. He is a sociopathic cancer and deserves to be in jail.
- JacobThreeThree 2y ago
  Actually, the default judgement doesn't go into any specifics about what he failed to produce in discovery. The Jones lawyers argued that the discovery requests were for documents that don't exist, and that's why they were not produced.
  - ceejayoz 2y ago
    > The Jones lawyers argued that the discovery requests were for documents that don't exist, and that's why they were not produced. And then they accidentally sent all of the non-existent documents to the plaintiffs, showing Jones had committed perjury. And then they forgot to claim it as privileged in a timely fashion. And then Jones got confronted with the lie in court. And then they got sanctioned for the fuckup. Oops. https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/alex-jones-lawyers-accidentally-leak-years-emails-infowars-financial-d-rcna41378 https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/alex-jones-lawyers-acci... https://apnews.com/article/legal-proceedings-fraud-crime-connecticut-texas-2c5bca5300b2bda02b60f6181632be6d https://apnews.com/article/legal-proceedings-fraud-crime-con...
    - JacobThreeThree 2y ago
      >And then they accidentally sent all of the non-existent documents to the plaintiffs That's not what these two linked articles say. The AP articles about this state that the improper conduct was about disclosure of information the plaintiffs had sent the Jones legal team. Nothing to do with discovery that was requested from Jones.
      - ceejayoz 2y ago
        https://www.newstimes.com/news/article/Alex-Jones-cellphone-records-were-mistakenly-17348921.php https://www.newstimes.com/news/article/Alex-Jones-cellphone-... > During parts of his testimony stretching over two days in a Texas courtroom, Jones repeatedly told jurors that he does not use email and that he had searched the contents of his phone for messages pertaining to Sandy Hook after he was sued by several family members of the victims for falsely saying the shooting was a hoax. > Jones said that his phone search, done during the discovery phase of the trial, did not turn up any relevant messages. Texas Judge Maya Guerra Gamble has already ruled in favor of Sandy Hook parents Neil Heslin and Scarlett Lewis by default, saying that Jones did not comply with the rules of discovery in the case.

cooper_ganglia 2y ago

Call me crazy, but I don't think the government should be able to "tell you to stop talking" about something just because it makes some people upset.

acdha 2y ago
You’re welcome to try to get the laws against defamation repealed but until then there is a specific legal standard which was met in this case. If you think that’s unfair, perhaps start by asking yourself whether his lawyers made the same argument and why it failed.

roenxi 2y ago

Prison would probably be better. I don't think they should let him off the hook, but I'd expect a lot of people lie in court and flashy penalties for Jones aren't going to change that, so there are questions here about consistency of outcome for people going to court. Given that his lawyers were in on it it is questionable whether he does actually understand the risks of his actions, he appears to be getting very bad quality legal support. He could be go to court every day of his life, lie continuously, fight them every step of the way and it still wouldn't do a level of harm that justify some of the payouts. They are huge, numbers have been tossed around in the range of billions. The engineering value of an entire human life is only around the 10 million mark. And the courts agree with a lot of that because these are punitive damages, so it is very much a judgement call about what is appropriate. It doesn't look like the judges are doing a great job on that front. The punishments are too extreme; from the outside it looks like Jones targeting these people was the best thing that ever happened to them by a wide margin.