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Yeah, we don't have that in Sweden except for criminal acts, and then the fines are a certain number of days of your income as a substitute for imprisonment. I

Yeah, we don't have that in Sweden except for criminal acts, and then the fines are a certain number of days of your income as a substitute for imprisonment. In civil cases our judgements are usually not enormous. I don't feel that your reasoning above makes the judgement more reasonable. Maybe he does reach that many people, but he obviously makes nowhere near that amount of money and it's out of line with other defamation judgements.

probably_wrong 2y ago
> it's out of line with other defamation judgements. This point made me curious so I quickly looked around. Fox News paid a $787.5 million settlement [1] for making false claims about Dominion. Given that this happened as the trial was about to start, it's reasonable to assume that Fox News expected to lose even more if the issue went to trial. And that's for a party that arguably would have followed court orders, something Alex Jones refused to do. Next in line is Rudy Giuliani, who was ordered to pay $150 million for defaming two election workers [2]. If Alex Jones defamed 12 families then it comes out roughly the same. [1] https://edition.cnn.com/2023/04/18/media/fox-dominion-settlement/index.html https://edition.cnn.com/2023/04/18/media/fox-dominion-settle... [2] https://edition.cnn.com/politics/live-news/rudy-giuliani-defamation-trial-verdict/index.html https://edition.cnn.com/politics/live-news/rudy-giuliani-def...
- impossiblefork 2y ago
  Those are also extreme though.
- AustinDev 2y ago
  All these cited claims seem political and extreme to me. I can't find a non-political example where the judgement this extreme. Depp v Herd defamation was around $10m.
  - mvc 2y ago
    There was a single victim in Depp vs Herd.
  - standardUser 2y ago
    The acts of defamation were extreme, clear cut, repetitive and devoid of remorse. I for one like knowing that if someone ruins my reputation with cruel lies in such a malicious and relentless way that they may face extreme consequences.
crazygringo 2y ago
> Yeah, we don't have that in Sweden except for criminal acts Sweden isn't the only Nordic country. Just look up speeding tickets in Finland and Norway.

probably_wrong 2y ago

> it's out of line with other defamation judgements. This point made me curious so I quickly looked around. Fox News paid a $787.5 million settlement [1] for making false claims about Dominion. Given that this happened as the trial was about to start, it's reasonable to assume that Fox News expected to lose even more if the issue went to trial. And that's for a party that arguably would have followed court orders, something Alex Jones refused to do. Next in line is Rudy Giuliani, who was ordered to pay $150 million for defaming two election workers [2]. If Alex Jones defamed 12 families then it comes out roughly the same. [1] https://edition.cnn.com/2023/04/18/media/fox-dominion-settlement/index.html https://edition.cnn.com/2023/04/18/media/fox-dominion-settle... [2] https://edition.cnn.com/politics/live-news/rudy-giuliani-defamation-trial-verdict/index.html https://edition.cnn.com/politics/live-news/rudy-giuliani-def...

impossiblefork 2y ago
Those are also extreme though.
AustinDev 2y ago
All these cited claims seem political and extreme to me. I can't find a non-political example where the judgement this extreme. Depp v Herd defamation was around $10m.
- mvc 2y ago
  There was a single victim in Depp vs Herd.
- standardUser 2y ago
  The acts of defamation were extreme, clear cut, repetitive and devoid of remorse. I for one like knowing that if someone ruins my reputation with cruel lies in such a malicious and relentless way that they may face extreme consequences.

crazygringo 2y ago

> Yeah, we don't have that in Sweden except for criminal acts Sweden isn't the only Nordic country. Just look up speeding tickets in Finland and Norway.