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> A. Why wouldn’t they? By definition, they are right-wing. You can be right-wing but still be in support of democracy and decency. That's the crucial issue to

> A. Why wouldn’t they? By definition, they are right-wing. You can be right-wing but still be in support of democracy and decency. That's the crucial issue to be had with Musk and Thiel - both for example are vocally opposed to the free press, with Elon having auto-reply poop emoji on press enquiries and Thiel outright bankrupting Gawker in revenge for outing him as gay via financing Hogan's lawsuit (not that I support that kind of tabloid journalism, but since it wasn't wrong it doesn't warrant tanking the entire medium). There's many people who manage to be conservative or right-wing but still value the constitution and its principles and are willing to put country before party and people.

Dalewyn 2y ago
As a Trump supporter/Republican voter I support the free press, I don't support whatever the fuck "journalism" these days (read: at least the past ~10 years, and likely longer than anyone realizes) is. Whether it's blatant lies like the fine people hoax or the koi fish feeding, or more subtle manipulation like constantly and endlessly sensationlizing the commons into fear and rage, I detest all of it. Free press is good, but "journalism" as it stands is a cancer upon human society.
- mschuster91 2y ago
  > I don't support whatever the fuck "journalism" these days (read: at least the past ~10 years, and likely longer than anyone realizes) is. Thank Fox News and the other Murdoch rags for setting off the spiral, and social media / clickbait mechanisms gave media at large the rest.
throw10920 2y ago
> both for example are vocally opposed to the free press ...a free press that is incredibly politically partisan, polarizing/radicalizing, spreads misinformation/disinformation, and doxxes people (e.g. NYT doxxing Scott Alexander, CNN doxxing a minor because they misunderstood his political beliefs and proceeded to spread misinformation about him) is the literal opposite of democracy or decency - supporting them erodes both of those things. > with Elon having auto-reply poop emoji on press enquiries Twitter having an auto-reply poop emoji on press inquiries is also irrelevant to, well...anything. No company is required to have a dedicated line to respond to press inquiries. > but still value the constitution and its principles Musk, at least, values free speech (I'm not going to defend Thiel, because that story is pretty bad for all parties involved), which is an actual right enumerated by the Constitution, far more than any of the media companies that he dislikes. Before he took over Twitter, Twitter actively colluded with the US Government to censor speech, which absolutely infringes on the spirit, if not the letter, of the first amendment.

Dalewyn 2y ago

As a Trump supporter/Republican voter I support the free press, I don't support whatever the fuck "journalism" these days (read: at least the past ~10 years, and likely longer than anyone realizes) is. Whether it's blatant lies like the fine people hoax or the koi fish feeding, or more subtle manipulation like constantly and endlessly sensationlizing the commons into fear and rage, I detest all of it. Free press is good, but "journalism" as it stands is a cancer upon human society.

mschuster91 2y ago
> I don't support whatever the fuck "journalism" these days (read: at least the past ~10 years, and likely longer than anyone realizes) is. Thank Fox News and the other Murdoch rags for setting off the spiral, and social media / clickbait mechanisms gave media at large the rest.

throw10920 2y ago

> both for example are vocally opposed to the free press ...a free press that is incredibly politically partisan, polarizing/radicalizing, spreads misinformation/disinformation, and doxxes people (e.g. NYT doxxing Scott Alexander, CNN doxxing a minor because they misunderstood his political beliefs and proceeded to spread misinformation about him) is the literal opposite of democracy or decency - supporting them erodes both of those things. > with Elon having auto-reply poop emoji on press enquiries Twitter having an auto-reply poop emoji on press inquiries is also irrelevant to, well...anything. No company is required to have a dedicated line to respond to press inquiries. > but still value the constitution and its principles Musk, at least, values free speech (I'm not going to defend Thiel, because that story is pretty bad for all parties involved), which is an actual right enumerated by the Constitution, far more than any of the media companies that he dislikes. Before he took over Twitter, Twitter actively colluded with the US Government to censor speech, which absolutely infringes on the spirit, if not the letter, of the first amendment.