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> mere defamation I think what Alex Jones did is more than mere defamation. Repeatedly lying about the reality of a school mass shooting, over years, in such
by ethbr1 2y ago
> mere defamation
I think what Alex Jones did is more than mere defamation.
Repeatedly lying about the reality of a school mass shooting, over years, in such a way that he caused threats to be made against the families of victims?
Incitement to credible threats of violence, and especially continuing to do so even after you're aware that's what your listeners are doing, deserves severe consequences.
- logicchains 2y ago>Incitement to credible threats of violence Incitement means means explicitly encouraging. Just because someone people made threats of violence to the families because they believed what Alex Jones said about the shootings, doesn't mean that saying "The shootings were faked" is incitement. If Jones had explicitly said "the families deserve to suffer violent consequences for helping fake the shootings", that would be incitement. That's why he wasn't convicted of incitement, he was convicted of defamation.
- hobs 2y agoAnyone defending Alex Jones in this case is either ignorant, a fool, or an absolute garbage human being. I am going to pick ignorant in this case. > “Folks, we got to get private investigators up to Sandy Hook right now. Because I’m telling you this — this stinks to highest heaven.” > “Why did Hitler blow up the Reichstag — to get control! Why do governments stage these things — to get our guns! Why can’t people get that through their head?”
- marcusverus 2y ago[flagged]
- DiggyJohnson 2y agoBlanket statements like this are worse than useless. It's a nuanced discussion of damages, not a conversation of whether Alex Jones was right or wrong.
- tmpz22 2y agoWatch the Behind the Bastards podcast on Alex Jones or read some of the testimony from his various cases. The amount of evidence burying him is incontrovertible. His actions before during and after are incontrovertible. There’s a reason even the right wing hardliners abandoned this guy.
- elsonrodriguez 2y agoAlex has not been abandoned. Tucker Carlson is a frequent guest on his show, and they toured together recently. More to the point he has Roger Stone and Steve Bannon on the show constantly, who in turn have direct access to Trump. Alex is firmly within the mainstream of the right wing.
- sophacles 2y agoBecause accuracy is important when discussing legal terms - he wasn't convicted. Defamation is a civil offense, and not a crime. He lost a lawsuit, he did not become a convict.
- gklitz 2y ago> Incitement means means explicitly encouraging. He was literally, as in literally, comparing the families of the victims to Adolf Hitler and the Nazis. I don’t know about you, but if someone has been screaming at me for years that I need to be ready for armed conflict with “the enemy” and then points to someone screaming “that guy’s Hitler”, I would definitely take that as explicit encouragement. But obviously it’s all “just comedy” right?
- nemo44x 2y ago[flagged]
- zeroonetwothree 2y agoAnd they should also stop doing it.
- rbanffy 2y agoSometimes it's pretty accurate though.
- peterfirefly 2y agoSometimes meaning "practically never"?
- dralley 2y ago[flagged]
- bigtex88 2y agoNo it's not, but thank you for this insightful comment.
- Sohcahtoa82 2y agoI mean...they literally have people waving Nazi flags among their ranks and don't denounce them.
- pfannkuchen 2y agoI haven’t been following closely - I wonder if the people who made the death threats were charged? I haven’t heard anything about that.
- devops99 2y ago[flagged]
- JacobThreeThree 2y agoFor those who are curious: https://thepostmillennial.com/new-former-fbi-current-cia-says-approx-20-undercover-agents-in-j6-crowd-boasts-about-taking-away-alex-jones-money-sound-investigations https://thepostmillennial.com/new-former-fbi-current-cia-say...
- devops99 2y ago> in such a way that he caused threats In such a way that somebody else decided on their own do something...
- stuaxo 2y agoI don't know about the US, but incitement to violence is a crime in other countries.
- samatman 2y agoIt has fairly strict criteria which Mr. Jones emphatically did not meet. It's referred to as the Brandenburg test, or the "imminent lawless action" test, you can read more here. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brandenburg_v._Ohio https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brandenburg_v._Ohio
- devops99 2y agoNothing he said could be construed as a call to violence by any sane and sober person. So it's moot anyway.