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>A very weird and pleasant experience, that alas can't be sustained forever given how delicious carbs are. why not? it's just a matter of having access to dece

>A very weird and pleasant experience, that alas can't be sustained forever given how delicious carbs are. why not? it's just a matter of having access to decent meat/fish, discipline, and ignoring peer pressure at social gatherings. for me, it takes at least two weeks to recover from SAD-like diet and go back to the kind of state you're describing - high energy, mental clarity, complete absence of hunger, etc. the first week is particularly unpleasant - low energy and constant carb cravings, etc.

ternnoburn 2y ago
I've struggled with "but factory farmed meat and dairy conflict with my moral beliefs" when trying keto. It's nice, but very challenging to do sustainably if you have dietary limits like that.
- codr7 2y ago
  There are better products. Likely more expensive, but possible.
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- declan_roberts 2y ago
  Go on craigslist and search for cow, beef, and lamb share. You can go visit the farm and verify the animals are happy, pasture-raised cattle. Our beef came from a cow we can see from our backyard.
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piva00 2y ago
> why not? it's just a matter of ..., discipline, and ignoring peer pressure at social gatherings. Both of which are very dependent on willpower, and as much as we would like to believe we have control over, it's highly affected by emotions depending on the individual. Great that you can sustain it but phrasing it as an easy thing to do is ignoring the fact that simple things are not necessarily easy to do.
- voxgen 2y ago
  Don't give up! Induction gets easier every time, and you learn lots of tricks/recipes, like keto-ade to feel better during induction, and making oats/flaxmeal tasty for cheap & quick breakfasts. You don't have to commit to long streaks, or feel bad about sunk cost when you cheat. All that progress accumulates. I've been in and out so often now I can happily switch between keto at home & unrestricted on vacation/occasions. At worst I get 1 day of dopiness starting carbs, and 1 day of mild cravings stopping them, but usually I don't even notice.
  - piva00 2y ago
    I have done keto for a while but have no appetite for it anymore, it's also nigh impossible since I became a vegetarian >10 years ago. I'm not talking about myself but in general, even though it can also apply to myself (my willpower is not absolutely under my control) but the same advice about discipline and resisting peer pressure is given to obese people as losing weight is quite simple, it doesn't mean doing the simple thing is easy.
    - voxgen 2y ago
      Vegetarian keto is certainly possible, but vegan would be very tough. Only 2 out of 6 of my regular meals[1] have meat in them, and I'd probably replace these with tofu and mushrooms if I could tolerate them. There's a world of keto&vege analogues to try for noodles, breads, and pizza bases. IMO some of them are nicer than the carby versions. I also struggle with willpower and it took me ~10 big attempts over ~14 years before I managed to stay on it long enough to fix my metabolism. I just wanted to spread the message of hope that every attempt gets easier. Mindset plays a big role - I've seen a few people push themselves really hard then declare it impossible and never give it another shot. If you know you're playing a long game, take a break if you're really suffering, and don't beat yourself up over failures, it's easier to try again next time you have the energy. [1] I've lots of intolerances - whitelisting was easier than blacklisting. Here's the list: flaxmeal porridge, keto bread + cream/cottage cheese, omelette w/ pizza toppings, egg & cheese salad, caesar salad (w/ chicken), mince+vege+cheese mealprep'd casserole

ternnoburn 2y ago

I've struggled with "but factory farmed meat and dairy conflict with my moral beliefs" when trying keto. It's nice, but very challenging to do sustainably if you have dietary limits like that.

codr7 2y ago
There are better products. Likely more expensive, but possible.
- ternnoburn 2y ago
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declan_roberts 2y ago
Go on craigslist and search for cow, beef, and lamb share. You can go visit the farm and verify the animals are happy, pasture-raised cattle. Our beef came from a cow we can see from our backyard.
- ternnoburn 2y ago
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dgfitz 2y ago
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- ternnoburn 2y ago
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piva00 2y ago

> why not? it's just a matter of ..., discipline, and ignoring peer pressure at social gatherings. Both of which are very dependent on willpower, and as much as we would like to believe we have control over, it's highly affected by emotions depending on the individual. Great that you can sustain it but phrasing it as an easy thing to do is ignoring the fact that simple things are not necessarily easy to do.

voxgen 2y ago
Don't give up! Induction gets easier every time, and you learn lots of tricks/recipes, like keto-ade to feel better during induction, and making oats/flaxmeal tasty for cheap & quick breakfasts. You don't have to commit to long streaks, or feel bad about sunk cost when you cheat. All that progress accumulates. I've been in and out so often now I can happily switch between keto at home & unrestricted on vacation/occasions. At worst I get 1 day of dopiness starting carbs, and 1 day of mild cravings stopping them, but usually I don't even notice.
- piva00 2y ago
  I have done keto for a while but have no appetite for it anymore, it's also nigh impossible since I became a vegetarian >10 years ago. I'm not talking about myself but in general, even though it can also apply to myself (my willpower is not absolutely under my control) but the same advice about discipline and resisting peer pressure is given to obese people as losing weight is quite simple, it doesn't mean doing the simple thing is easy.
  - voxgen 2y ago
    Vegetarian keto is certainly possible, but vegan would be very tough. Only 2 out of 6 of my regular meals[1] have meat in them, and I'd probably replace these with tofu and mushrooms if I could tolerate them. There's a world of keto&vege analogues to try for noodles, breads, and pizza bases. IMO some of them are nicer than the carby versions. I also struggle with willpower and it took me ~10 big attempts over ~14 years before I managed to stay on it long enough to fix my metabolism. I just wanted to spread the message of hope that every attempt gets easier. Mindset plays a big role - I've seen a few people push themselves really hard then declare it impossible and never give it another shot. If you know you're playing a long game, take a break if you're really suffering, and don't beat yourself up over failures, it's easier to try again next time you have the energy. [1] I've lots of intolerances - whitelisting was easier than blacklisting. Here's the list: flaxmeal porridge, keto bread + cream/cottage cheese, omelette w/ pizza toppings, egg & cheese salad, caesar salad (w/ chicken), mince+vege+cheese mealprep'd casserole