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"I hate to say it (as a long time user of Apple computers) but in general they really need to pull their heads out of their arses when it comes to the bizarre d

by crag 14y ago

"I hate to say it (as a long time user of Apple computers) but in general they really need to pull their heads out of their arses when it comes to the bizarre direction they're going with the OS X user experience." I don't think Apple cares, really. From their point of view, it's all about the consumer. If the consumer keeps buying their devices us power users ("developers") will continue to buy the hardware too. To write apps. And that's all Apple cares about. Look Apple has never had great developer relations. Never. But I gotta tell you, right now it's the worse I've ever seen. Look to sum up, most "regular" consumers are using one screen. Doesn't matter what us here use (and I'd call us power users). The masses uses one screen. And that's all Apple cares about. I doubt we'll ever see this issue resolved.

gurkendoktor 14y ago
> Doesn't matter what us here use (and I'd call us power users). I agree in a way, and I think we power users (as a whole) are a bit hypocritical. Whenever Apple leaves the most "backward" x% of users behind, it's just cutting stinky slack (no 32-bit, no iSync, no Rosetta...). When the tiny top x% of power users suffer, the iWorld is coming to an end and Apple is at fault. But there's actually something that we can do: public shaming. Apple has already taken some steps back in 10.8: Ungrouping of apps in MC, pseudo-three-column layout in Address Book, less visual clutter in Calendar and the calendar list panel made it back. If blogs duly ridicule Lion as the Vista of OS X and keep going even after the release of ML, I have hope that Apple will take note. After all, there must be some people inside of Apple who agree with "us" too. And even economically, Apple should be happy if we buy Cinema Displays or at least more of their overpriced adapters.
- crag 14y ago
  "But there's actually something that we can do: public shaming." That's the key with Apple. Bad press is the ONLY time they respond. Anyone know Walt Mossberg?
larrys 14y ago
"If the consumer keeps buying their devices us power users ("developers") will continue to buy the hardware too. To write apps." Such an important point I thought I would highlight it. On HN there is often talk of "good will" with developers and the effect of that. The fact is good will doesn't trump market opportunity. Market opportunity is like good looks. It gets you the girl (even if you're a dick). Helping the girl with her physics homework gets you good will but won't get you laid.

by crag 14y ago

gurkendoktor 14y ago

> Doesn't matter what us here use (and I'd call us power users). I agree in a way, and I think we power users (as a whole) are a bit hypocritical. Whenever Apple leaves the most "backward" x% of users behind, it's just cutting stinky slack (no 32-bit, no iSync, no Rosetta...). When the tiny top x% of power users suffer, the iWorld is coming to an end and Apple is at fault. But there's actually something that we can do: public shaming. Apple has already taken some steps back in 10.8: Ungrouping of apps in MC, pseudo-three-column layout in Address Book, less visual clutter in Calendar and the calendar list panel made it back. If blogs duly ridicule Lion as the Vista of OS X and keep going even after the release of ML, I have hope that Apple will take note. After all, there must be some people inside of Apple who agree with "us" too. And even economically, Apple should be happy if we buy Cinema Displays or at least more of their overpriced adapters.

crag 14y ago
"But there's actually something that we can do: public shaming." That's the key with Apple. Bad press is the ONLY time they respond. Anyone know Walt Mossberg?

larrys 14y ago

"If the consumer keeps buying their devices us power users ("developers") will continue to buy the hardware too. To write apps." Such an important point I thought I would highlight it. On HN there is often talk of "good will" with developers and the effect of that. The fact is good will doesn't trump market opportunity. Market opportunity is like good looks. It gets you the girl (even if you're a dick). Helping the girl with her physics homework gets you good will but won't get you laid.