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Maybe I'm missing something but are there any current regulations that make it difficult to operate? My understanding was that in many states, it's mostly just

Maybe I'm missing something but are there any current regulations that make it difficult to operate? My understanding was that in many states, it's mostly just paper requirements and not any strict testing, etc.

avree 2y ago
Nov 18 (Reuters) - Tesla (TSLA.O), opens new tab shares rose more than 5% on Monday after Bloomberg News reported that President-elect Donald Trump's transition team was planning to set up federal regulations for autonomous vehicles. The report comes days after Trump named the automaker's CEO, Elon Musk, as a co-head of the incoming administration's government efficiency department. Trump's team is looking for policy leaders for the transport department to develop a federal regulatory framework, the report said, citing people familiar with the matter. Last month, Musk criticized the state-by-state approval process, required for self-driving vehicles, as "incredibly painful", weeks after unveiling a two-seat "Cybercab" robotaxi without a steering wheel and foot pedals, set to go into production in 2026.
- ytpete 2y ago
  Interesting... so Musk may be angling to get a federal law passed that would force all states to accept autonomous vehicles with less testing or data sharing than say, California currently requires.
AlotOfReading 2y ago
The only federal requirements are FMVSS, which have nothing to say on the subject of AVs. Some states have their own testing programs with paperwork requirements.
danans 2y ago
Most states and communities aren't ok with unproven AVs on their streets causing accidents and injuries, even if they are superficially politically aligned with the AV manufacturer's CEO. That's a good thing, we shouldn't be lowering the bar for AVs.
- ls612 2y ago
  There’s a chicken and egg issue with this in that to become proven the AV needs to drive somewhere for a while.
  - danans 2y ago
    > to become proven the AV needs to drive somewhere for a while. There's a straightforward solution to this that doesn't compromise public safety: Employ paid training drivers who monitor the AV while it is collecting training data in environments where it does not yet meet the safety bar. These drivers are paid to be observant and intervene to avoid accidents. Furthermore, in their interventions, these training drivers provide critical training data used to improve the system.
    - ls612 2y ago
      Uber did exactly that and got excoriated when the paid driver was on her phone and the car killed someone on the freeway. I think many people raising are concern trolling this because they either don’t want private cars in favor of public transportation or because they are luddites towards automation of driving jobs.
      - danans 2y ago
        > Uber did exactly that and got excoriated when the paid driver was on her phone and the car killed someone on the freeway. This is what Waymo does also. Perhaps Uber should have been more careful whom they hire, or put stronger controls on what they are allowed to do in the car.
- kortilla 2y ago
  AVs already exceed the quite low bar for humans. The real crux is liability when they screw up.
  - potato3732842 2y ago
    They exceed the minimum viable human driver. They're some combination of a teenager and grandma. They generally get where they're going safely but anyone who's not a minimum viable driver is cringing pretty often. Nobody wants to let a minimum viable driver chauffeur them around every day. Accepting the reduced quality of performance and increased risk a short duration cab ride is another story.

avree 2y ago

Nov 18 (Reuters) - Tesla (TSLA.O), opens new tab shares rose more than 5% on Monday after Bloomberg News reported that President-elect Donald Trump's transition team was planning to set up federal regulations for autonomous vehicles. The report comes days after Trump named the automaker's CEO, Elon Musk, as a co-head of the incoming administration's government efficiency department. Trump's team is looking for policy leaders for the transport department to develop a federal regulatory framework, the report said, citing people familiar with the matter. Last month, Musk criticized the state-by-state approval process, required for self-driving vehicles, as "incredibly painful", weeks after unveiling a two-seat "Cybercab" robotaxi without a steering wheel and foot pedals, set to go into production in 2026.

ytpete 2y ago
Interesting... so Musk may be angling to get a federal law passed that would force all states to accept autonomous vehicles with less testing or data sharing than say, California currently requires.

AlotOfReading 2y ago

The only federal requirements are FMVSS, which have nothing to say on the subject of AVs. Some states have their own testing programs with paperwork requirements.

danans 2y ago

Most states and communities aren't ok with unproven AVs on their streets causing accidents and injuries, even if they are superficially politically aligned with the AV manufacturer's CEO. That's a good thing, we shouldn't be lowering the bar for AVs.

ls612 2y ago
There’s a chicken and egg issue with this in that to become proven the AV needs to drive somewhere for a while.
- danans 2y ago
  > to become proven the AV needs to drive somewhere for a while. There's a straightforward solution to this that doesn't compromise public safety: Employ paid training drivers who monitor the AV while it is collecting training data in environments where it does not yet meet the safety bar. These drivers are paid to be observant and intervene to avoid accidents. Furthermore, in their interventions, these training drivers provide critical training data used to improve the system.
  - ls612 2y ago
    Uber did exactly that and got excoriated when the paid driver was on her phone and the car killed someone on the freeway. I think many people raising are concern trolling this because they either don’t want private cars in favor of public transportation or because they are luddites towards automation of driving jobs.
    - danans 2y ago
      > Uber did exactly that and got excoriated when the paid driver was on her phone and the car killed someone on the freeway. This is what Waymo does also. Perhaps Uber should have been more careful whom they hire, or put stronger controls on what they are allowed to do in the car.
kortilla 2y ago
AVs already exceed the quite low bar for humans. The real crux is liability when they screw up.
- potato3732842 2y ago
  They exceed the minimum viable human driver. They're some combination of a teenager and grandma. They generally get where they're going safely but anyone who's not a minimum viable driver is cringing pretty often. Nobody wants to let a minimum viable driver chauffeur them around every day. Accepting the reduced quality of performance and increased risk a short duration cab ride is another story.