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There is no proof that tesla can make FSD work with the level of safety they would need for a robitaxi service. Especially with camera only. If they do pull th
by fyrn_ 2y ago
There is no proof that tesla can make FSD work with the level of safety they would need for a robitaxi service. Especially with camera only.
If they do pull that off, or are able pivot to a fused sensor architecture then I do think their hardware potential will make them a good competitor.
- honeybadger1 2y ago[flagged]
- n144q 2y agoI see, that's exactly the kind of "proof" parent comment is looking for
- honeybadger1 2y ago[flagged]
- slaw 2y agoThere is a driver behind steering wheel all the time. It is not a self driving vehicle.
- kajecounterhack 2y agoWhat's your basis for saying this? Waymo actually serves rides and has a safety record. If you work in robotics you know that eval is everything -- what's Tesla's L4 driving record? It doesn't even have one, so how can you possibly compare? L2 driving record vs L4 driving record are insanely different. You can't fall asleep in an L2 car without risking death. You can fall asleep in an L4 car.
- floxy 2y agoI'm not up to speed on the area of autonomous driving at all. Does anyone know if Tesla is basing its next moves off just what the cameras see at the current moment that gets fed into the model? Or is there also a "mapped" component, where it looks up previously mapped information from other Teslas that have traversed this area before? That is what I understand Waymo and GM Supercruise do at least some of the time. There are only certain pre-mapped routes that Supercruise will work on. https://electrek.co/2024/02/15/gm-nearly-doubles-map-super-cruise-hands-free-driving-routes-north-america/ https://electrek.co/2024/02/15/gm-nearly-doubles-map-super-c...
- mensetmanusman 2y agoThey have non-heuristic training. Maybe the AI model is making those connections on the hyper graph if it’s part of the training data, but it would have a decay function as roads get constructed.
- derektank 2y agoI agree completely with everything you've said, but it's worth keeping in mind that if legal/compliance requirements were to be loosened, a company could expand their offerings with a less robust safety record. And someone close to the incoming presidential administration would be in a position to influence what those requirements are.
- crazygringo 2y ago> a company could expand their offerings with a less robust safety record But would people take it? I mean, if one service is 25% cheaper but there are a bunch of horror stories of their vehicles crashing into highway barriers (like this past October), I'm not sure people are going to get in.
- rogerrogerr 2y agoDriving is 100% cheaper, and there are a bunch of horror stories of people crashing their vehicles into highway barriers. We’re not starting at zero here.
- danans 2y agoIs driving really 100% cheaper? Owning a car has pretty high fixed costs. Also, it's different when you crash a car yourself vs a robot doing it. If you are driving, there is clearer accountability than a robot, so the bar must be much higher for the robot.
- jjfoooo4 2y agoWhy would this help Tesla more than Waymo? Even supposing slanted regulatory rule making, Tesla’s autonomous capabilities are vastly inferior to Waymo. The rules can’t be that complicated, either you can drive a car autonomously on a given road or not. FWIW I’m a Tesla owner who rides Waymos whenever they are available for a cab ride, and won’t turn on FSD despite a number of free trials
- fastball 2y ago