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GM SuperCruise and Ford BluesClues are comparable products, so I don't know why you'd exclude Tesla's product as not "operating in any markets." Other companie

GM SuperCruise and Ford BluesClues are comparable products, so I don't know why you'd exclude Tesla's product as not "operating in any markets." Other companies have neat AV demos (some that they even make people pay for), but fundamentally they can't and won't scale.

rgovostes 2y ago
I am not sure I have all the facts straight but: Super Cruise and BlueCruise are features available on GM and Ford passenger cars, respectively. They aren't taxi services. I tried to make the distinction between companies participating in the "increasingly competitive robotaxi market" versus just the ones that have some level of autonomous driving capability; tweaked comment. GM was majority stakeholder in Cruise, which was gearing up to a ride hailing service. Cruise's cars have instruments like LiDAR on the roof, unlike Super Cruise-equipped cars. Ford wrote about an "initial launch of a commercial self-driving service in 2021" but I don't think it materialized. A photo of their robotaxi bears the logo of Argo AI, a startup that shut down in 2022.
- schiffern 2y ago
  The difference is that GM and Ford have no viable strategy for transitioning these features into taxi services, whereas Tesla does. Not sure how it's suddenly so controversial to realize that Detroit is terrible at software strategy. This has been the conventional wisdom (and with good reason) for quite some time.
  - rgovostes 2y ago
    I briefly owned a Chevy Volt with the worst infotainment UX imaginable. I found a quote from a Chevy spokesperson describing it as an "Apple-like experience," presumably because the graphic designer on Fiverr found the Gradient tool in their pirated copy of Illustrator CS6.
    - schiffern 2y ago
      True, but even that's just at the surface level. When you dig into the architecture / planning / business strategy that happens in Detroit, it's even worse than what the UI suggests. "Creative destruction" is coming for them real soon.
    - Tagbert 2y ago
      That is a 10-year old UI based on their even older designs from their ICE vehicles. The newer UI for the Ultium is much more modern. Not as severely styled as some other companies not not as overdone as that old UI.
  - cyberax 2y ago
    > whereas Tesla does LOL, no. Tesla has a gimmicky car that is supposed to be a taxi, with zero planning for the infrastructure (so far).

rgovostes 2y ago

I am not sure I have all the facts straight but: Super Cruise and BlueCruise are features available on GM and Ford passenger cars, respectively. They aren't taxi services. I tried to make the distinction between companies participating in the "increasingly competitive robotaxi market" versus just the ones that have some level of autonomous driving capability; tweaked comment. GM was majority stakeholder in Cruise, which was gearing up to a ride hailing service. Cruise's cars have instruments like LiDAR on the roof, unlike Super Cruise-equipped cars. Ford wrote about an "initial launch of a commercial self-driving service in 2021" but I don't think it materialized. A photo of their robotaxi bears the logo of Argo AI, a startup that shut down in 2022.

schiffern 2y ago
The difference is that GM and Ford have no viable strategy for transitioning these features into taxi services, whereas Tesla does. Not sure how it's suddenly so controversial to realize that Detroit is terrible at software strategy. This has been the conventional wisdom (and with good reason) for quite some time.
- rgovostes 2y ago
  I briefly owned a Chevy Volt with the worst infotainment UX imaginable. I found a quote from a Chevy spokesperson describing it as an "Apple-like experience," presumably because the graphic designer on Fiverr found the Gradient tool in their pirated copy of Illustrator CS6.
  - schiffern 2y ago
    True, but even that's just at the surface level. When you dig into the architecture / planning / business strategy that happens in Detroit, it's even worse than what the UI suggests. "Creative destruction" is coming for them real soon.
  - Tagbert 2y ago
    That is a 10-year old UI based on their even older designs from their ICE vehicles. The newer UI for the Ultium is much more modern. Not as severely styled as some other companies not not as overdone as that old UI.
- cyberax 2y ago
  > whereas Tesla does LOL, no. Tesla has a gimmicky car that is supposed to be a taxi, with zero planning for the infrastructure (so far).