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> The education system is the same for all the kids This is incorrect, certainly an ideal we'd all like but far from reality. The educational experiences and

> The education system is the same for all the kids This is incorrect, certainly an ideal we'd all like but far from reality. The educational experiences and outcomes of 1st and 2nd generation immigrants can and often does differ significantly from native-born students. Seeing the difference in the data/scores should clue you into this and helps us understand the socioeconomic impact on student achievement that immigration has. Language is often a large factor where 1st and 2nd generation students may be speaking a different language at home than they are in school. The US has significantly more immigrants than other countries in the world which is why not controlling for it skews the data disproportionately.

oblio 2y ago
> The US has significantly more immigrants than other countries in the world https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_sovereign_states_by_immigrant_and_emigrant_population https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_sovereign_states_by_... If that table is to believed, the US is kind of middle of the pack if you sort by percentages, at 15%. It might even be middle of the pack for developed countries, too
- int_19h 2y ago
  As far as I can tell, that table conflates temporary workers with permanent immigration, so I'm not sure how useful it really is in this context.
  - oblio 2y ago
    I've counted OECD countries[1] (roughly 40 developed countries), and the US is in 15th place, on par with Spain. Hardly worth writing home about :-) [1] This is the fairest comparison because people immigrate to rich countries in general. The only poor countries with lots of immigrants are generally safe poor countries right next to war-torn countries, which get lots of refugees.
- bootsmann 2y ago
  Its especially pertinent here that a lot of the countries that outperform the US have significantly higher percentages of immigrants, yet they don't seem to be failing them in the manner that the US education system is: Switzerland: 30% Sweden: 20% Canada: 21% Germany, Austria etc.
rtpg 2y ago
Given how the US does schooling where zipcode matters as much as it does, something tells me you can get from A to B a lot quicker just by controlling for school district wealth or something

oblio 2y ago

> The US has significantly more immigrants than other countries in the world https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_sovereign_states_by_immigrant_and_emigrant_population https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_sovereign_states_by_... If that table is to believed, the US is kind of middle of the pack if you sort by percentages, at 15%. It might even be middle of the pack for developed countries, too

int_19h 2y ago
As far as I can tell, that table conflates temporary workers with permanent immigration, so I'm not sure how useful it really is in this context.
- oblio 2y ago
  I've counted OECD countries[1] (roughly 40 developed countries), and the US is in 15th place, on par with Spain. Hardly worth writing home about :-) [1] This is the fairest comparison because people immigrate to rich countries in general. The only poor countries with lots of immigrants are generally safe poor countries right next to war-torn countries, which get lots of refugees.
bootsmann 2y ago
Its especially pertinent here that a lot of the countries that outperform the US have significantly higher percentages of immigrants, yet they don't seem to be failing them in the manner that the US education system is: Switzerland: 30% Sweden: 20% Canada: 21% Germany, Austria etc.

rtpg 2y ago

Given how the US does schooling where zipcode matters as much as it does, something tells me you can get from A to B a lot quicker just by controlling for school district wealth or something