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So it's Sweden's own people's fault for not wanting to do "integration"? Do you believe the average Swede wanted mass immigration in the first place?

twelvechairs 2y ago
I'm not apportioning blame just saying that what's happening now is feeding a future of separate societies that probably everyone would rather avoid. I don't believe the average Swede wanted mass immigration but there were immigration policies in place that were put in place by Sweden's leaders on behalf of its people that weren't questioned until later. You are where you are now - you can't unring a bell. You have to deal with the issues of the future now not the issues of the past
- rosmax_1337 2y ago
  The bell indeed can't be unrung. But, if one understands that what the Swedish leaders did was not on behalf of it's people, you begin to understand what the future should look like.
  - twelvechairs 2y ago
    That's a very cryptic response. I very much don't know what you mean by it. Maybe you could spell out what you want for the future?
    - rosmax_1337 2y ago
      I will refrain, unfortunately. Have a good day.
eesmith 2y ago
I don't think any Swede wanted conditions in Syria to get so bad that mass numbers of people felt they needed to leave their homes, friends, and livelihood in order to survive, so no, I don't think Swedes wanted this mass immigration. But it happened. So what next, kill them all? Starve them in concentration camps? Isolate them on islands with no hope at all of integration or work? If only there were some way to unite the nations to set up a better system that could prevent decades of internal war and conflict, or set up a treaty for how to handle refugees. Perhaps even just some sort of union of all the European countries to jointly and equally share the load when refugees come.
- LargoLasskhyfv 2y ago
  > Perhaps even just some sort of union of all the European countries to jointly and equally share the load when refugees come. Why? > Isolate them on islands... Why not? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palm_Jumeirah https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palm_Jumeirah / https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_World_(archipelago) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_World_(archipelago) , otherwise Malaysia and Indonesia come to mind. > ...in concentration camps? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mina,_Saudi_Arabia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mina,_Saudi_Arabia <- looks comfortable. Tents even have AirCon and ability to cater for masses is proven already. Or https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Line,_Saudi_Arabia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Line,_Saudi_Arabia ? In other words: why should what happened in Islamistan not stay in Islamistan? (cf. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ummah https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ummah ) Let them fuck themselves. As they always do. No need for 'the (non-islamic) world' to support that.

twelvechairs 2y ago

I'm not apportioning blame just saying that what's happening now is feeding a future of separate societies that probably everyone would rather avoid. I don't believe the average Swede wanted mass immigration but there were immigration policies in place that were put in place by Sweden's leaders on behalf of its people that weren't questioned until later. You are where you are now - you can't unring a bell. You have to deal with the issues of the future now not the issues of the past

rosmax_1337 2y ago
The bell indeed can't be unrung. But, if one understands that what the Swedish leaders did was not on behalf of it's people, you begin to understand what the future should look like.
- twelvechairs 2y ago
  That's a very cryptic response. I very much don't know what you mean by it. Maybe you could spell out what you want for the future?
  - rosmax_1337 2y ago
    I will refrain, unfortunately. Have a good day.

eesmith 2y ago

I don't think any Swede wanted conditions in Syria to get so bad that mass numbers of people felt they needed to leave their homes, friends, and livelihood in order to survive, so no, I don't think Swedes wanted this mass immigration. But it happened. So what next, kill them all? Starve them in concentration camps? Isolate them on islands with no hope at all of integration or work? If only there were some way to unite the nations to set up a better system that could prevent decades of internal war and conflict, or set up a treaty for how to handle refugees. Perhaps even just some sort of union of all the European countries to jointly and equally share the load when refugees come.

LargoLasskhyfv 2y ago
> Perhaps even just some sort of union of all the European countries to jointly and equally share the load when refugees come. Why? > Isolate them on islands... Why not? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palm_Jumeirah https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palm_Jumeirah / https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_World_(archipelago) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_World_(archipelago) , otherwise Malaysia and Indonesia come to mind. > ...in concentration camps? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mina,_Saudi_Arabia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mina,_Saudi_Arabia <- looks comfortable. Tents even have AirCon and ability to cater for masses is proven already. Or https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Line,_Saudi_Arabia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Line,_Saudi_Arabia ? In other words: why should what happened in Islamistan not stay in Islamistan? (cf. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ummah https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ummah ) Let them fuck themselves. As they always do. No need for 'the (non-islamic) world' to support that.