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No, it's not too reductive to claim that immigration has lead to problems. It's quite plainly obvious at this point. The only reason why ones mind will struggl
by rosmax_1337 2y ago
No, it's not too reductive to claim that immigration has lead to problems. It's quite plainly obvious at this point.
The only reason why ones mind will struggle to grasp this is because you understand that there are severe consequences for openly criticizing immigration. Your mind will conjure "nuances" to allow you to avoid confronting the idea that something has to change, and allow you to remain socially, financially, even legally safe. As you live here in Sweden you will be aware of the number of people sentenced to prison for criticizing immigration, due to the hate speech legislation here.
- bryanlarsen 2y agoIt's too reductive to claim that immigration didn't cause problems, and it's too reductive to claim that immigration is the source of most of the problems.
- rosmax_1337 2y agoWhat do you think causes the problems?
- ipaddr 2y agoIt being a taboo topic prevents real discussion. The cause is a single genetically and socially society allowing mass immigration but not changing society to match the newcomers and/or not selecting newcomers based on culture similarities and/or not bridging the divide. When you make a mass immigration commitment you need to follow it up with tons of work/money/education/discussion. That's why it fails in Europe but succeeds elsewhere. Then they make it impossible to succeed by limiting discussion and calling it hate speech. North America has two different approaches. Leave who you are behind and become an American. Keep who you are and become Something/Canadian. Sweden wants it both ways.. leave who you are behind but never become Swedish.
- rosmax_1337 2y agoDo you think the average Swede wanted mass immigration?
- bryanlarsen 2y agoAll the usuals: drugs, cost of living, unemployment, inequality, radicalization, etc. Immigration is one of many.
- rosmax_1337 2y agoSweden had these issues before migration, yet not the same disastrous societal result.
- bryanlarsen 2y agoSweden and the world have changed drastically in the past 4 years. Inflation, war, COVID, populism, etc.
- dijit 2y agoYour characterisation of my motivation is not correct. I’m considered racist because I am extremely critical of islam and think that it has no place in our increasingly secular societies. If you think I’m scared of talking about immigration, you are unfathomably mistaken. However you have to talk about each part properly, is migration causing significant social unrest and tension? Probably, I would argue yes. Are migrants more likely to commit crime? No, not really, when accounting for other things like income. I might be a racist, but it is important to be a correct racist.
- rosmax_1337 2y ago[Redacted] Check the site guidelines. Also, I disagree.
- dijit 2y agoTo which guideline do you refer?
- rosmax_1337 2y agohttps://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html Section: "In comments".
- dijit 2y agoThe entire section? That’s not very helpful.
- rosmax_1337 2y agoI can see that you've modified your comment. I will redact mine in turn.