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I'm not a fan of this law and expect it will end up being abused as much as civil forfeiture in the US. That said, it is interesting to see a stop and frisk law

by rurp 2y ago

I'm not a fan of this law and expect it will end up being abused as much as civil forfeiture in the US. That said, it is interesting to see a stop and frisk law that actually targets wealthy people for once.

foxglacier 2y ago
It targets poor people with expensive items. Wealthy people can explain how they could afford them.
- bjornsing 2y ago
  But explanations come after the stop and frisk though…
GauntletWizard 2y ago
Doesn't Target wealthy people. It targets unexplained wealth. Actually wealthy people will be able to show a bank account statement or say "My father is X" or whatever and get out of it. It is targeting thieves who are running around with stolen goods, but it will actually affect people who have conscientiously saved and flaunt their few pieces of a hard-earned luxury.
bjornsing 2y ago
We’re already starting to see some weird consequences of a closely related law change that allows the authorities to immediately seize assets from people with unpaid debts. For example, there was a news report recently of a woman who lent her car to a friend who was in debt. He was stopped by the police and the car was seized. She complained and could prove she was the legal owner of the car. But that didn’t matter. The authorities sold her car anyway and gave the money to the guy’s lenders. Now they’re saying this was not a mistake and you should be very careful who you lend your car to.
- buzer 2y ago
  How far does that go to? If you rent a car and get stopped by police does that allow police to seize and sell the car? What if you are driving company car? Company plane?
  - bdangubic 2y ago
    just drove a company plane the other day, no issues
  - bjornsing 2y ago
    Probably not. Swedish juris prudence is a bit illogical. Laws typically apply very differently depending on your social standing, and the discrepancy being illogical is usually not an effective counter argument.
- gruez 2y ago
  Source? This seems absurd on its face
  - bjornsing 2y ago
    Here’s public service’s summary: https://www.svt.se/nyheter/lokalt/skane/ebba-lanade-ut-bilen-till-en-van-nu-saljs-den-av-kronofogden https://www.svt.se/nyheter/lokalt/skane/ebba-lanade-ut-bilen... Apparently she has sued, but the authorities sold the car anyway, before the court made a decision: https://www.expressen.se/nyheter/sverige/ebba-25-lanade-ut-bilen-saljs-av-kronofogden/ https://www.expressen.se/nyheter/sverige/ebba-25-lanade-ut-b...
chrismcb 2y ago
I can't read the article. But it doesn't seem to be targeting wealthy people. Because if you are known to be wealthy, then your luxury items can be explained.

by rurp 2y ago

foxglacier 2y ago

It targets poor people with expensive items. Wealthy people can explain how they could afford them.

bjornsing 2y ago
But explanations come after the stop and frisk though…

GauntletWizard 2y ago

Doesn't Target wealthy people. It targets unexplained wealth. Actually wealthy people will be able to show a bank account statement or say "My father is X" or whatever and get out of it. It is targeting thieves who are running around with stolen goods, but it will actually affect people who have conscientiously saved and flaunt their few pieces of a hard-earned luxury.

bjornsing 2y ago

We’re already starting to see some weird consequences of a closely related law change that allows the authorities to immediately seize assets from people with unpaid debts. For example, there was a news report recently of a woman who lent her car to a friend who was in debt. He was stopped by the police and the car was seized. She complained and could prove she was the legal owner of the car. But that didn’t matter. The authorities sold her car anyway and gave the money to the guy’s lenders. Now they’re saying this was not a mistake and you should be very careful who you lend your car to.

buzer 2y ago
How far does that go to? If you rent a car and get stopped by police does that allow police to seize and sell the car? What if you are driving company car? Company plane?
- bdangubic 2y ago
  just drove a company plane the other day, no issues
- bjornsing 2y ago
  Probably not. Swedish juris prudence is a bit illogical. Laws typically apply very differently depending on your social standing, and the discrepancy being illogical is usually not an effective counter argument.
gruez 2y ago
Source? This seems absurd on its face
- bjornsing 2y ago
  Here’s public service’s summary: https://www.svt.se/nyheter/lokalt/skane/ebba-lanade-ut-bilen-till-en-van-nu-saljs-den-av-kronofogden https://www.svt.se/nyheter/lokalt/skane/ebba-lanade-ut-bilen... Apparently she has sued, but the authorities sold the car anyway, before the court made a decision: https://www.expressen.se/nyheter/sverige/ebba-25-lanade-ut-bilen-saljs-av-kronofogden/ https://www.expressen.se/nyheter/sverige/ebba-25-lanade-ut-b...

chrismcb 2y ago

I can't read the article. But it doesn't seem to be targeting wealthy people. Because if you are known to be wealthy, then your luxury items can be explained.