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> why not join Valkey? Valkey is making it possible for hyperscalers to continue appropriating open source and charging fat margins to everyone else. In a sen

> why not join Valkey? Valkey is making it possible for hyperscalers to continue appropriating open source and charging fat margins to everyone else. In a sense, Valkey is the bad guy here. And just look at all the support Valkey is getting from Amazon, Google, Oracle, etc. They're perpetuating the problem. The same thing happened with Elasticsearch. Unfortunately ICs without decision-making power started lambasting the Elasticsearch leadership for attempting to fend off AWS and their ilk from absorbing all of the revenues derived from their hard work. Open source is just a commodity feature for hyperscalers. It's time we stop giving it to them for free. This is all about power. We're ceding it to trillion dollar companies because we've been trained that "open source" is ethical. Meanwhile, we don't question the ethics of these companies profiting off of this work while charging us absurd margins. None of the hyperscaler infra is open source.

JoshTriplett 2y ago
Many of the Redis developers left to form Valkey, so that they could keep working on the Open Source project they wanted to work on. Valkey is continuing a project that was released under Open Source terms, after the original company rugpulled the Open Source project in favor of a proprietary one. Or, in other words, Valkey is Jenkins here, and Redis is Hudson.
- benatkin 2y ago
  Indeed. The project had continuity. The trademark exited the building.
- antirez 2y ago
  > Many of the Redis developers left to form Valkey What's the point of spreading informations that are not true? I believe there is a single person that was in Redis and works there now, at least AFAIK. And this person stopped working at Redis long time ago (and was not a core developer). So I'm not understanding who joined ValKey from Redis folks. Everybody is working at Redis: me, Oran, Yossi, Meir, many others.
  - bhouston 2y ago
    > I believe there is a single person that was in Redis and works there now, at least AFAIK. And this person stopped working at Redis long time ago (and was not a core developer). It is probably more correct to say a bunch of Redis contributors left the Redis GitHub project and moved over to Valkey. You can see there are a bunch of contributors listed on this page who seem to predate the fork and who have continued to contribute: https://github.com/valkey-io/valkey/graphs/contributors https://github.com/valkey-io/valkey/graphs/contributors Particularly these contributors standout: https://github.com/enjoy-binbin https://github.com/enjoy-binbin https://github.com/madolson https://github.com/madolson https://github.com/soloestoy https://github.com/soloestoy https://github.com/hwware https://github.com/hwware https://github.com/zuiderkwast https://github.com/zuiderkwast https://github.com/hpatro https://github.com/hpatro https://github.com/pizhenwei https://github.com/pizhenwei
    - rubiquity 2y ago
      Nearly all of them work at cloud providers so they literally just followed their income stream.
      - bhouston 2y ago
        > Nearly all of them work at cloud providers so they literally just followed their income stream. Sure. And same for Redis employees who continue to work on the Redis Github project. All my significant contributions to open source have had financial incentives as well.
      - reconditerose 2y ago
        I know this doesn't mean much, but I spent a lot of time outside of work helping to maintain the Redis codebase. I attended our meetings and responded to issues on vacation because I cared about the community, it was more than just a paycheck for me. I don't regret doing any of that.
bhouston 2y ago
> In a sense, Valkey is the bad guy here. Are all the open source libraries that Redis depends on [1] also evil? Or are we just focused on declaring Redis competitors evil today? [1] https://github.com/redis/redis/tree/unstable/deps https://github.com/redis/redis/tree/unstable/deps
blibble 2y ago
as much as I dislike the hyperscalers parasitising open source... "redis ltd" the company did not originate redis "redis ltd" was originally "Garantia Data": a company that offered hosted redis as a service fundamentally they are/were doing the same thing as AWS/Google: taking an existing open source product they did not originate, and selling hosting for it they may have hired its creator (several years after he wrote it), and since then changed their name to "redis", but they're not any different to GCP/AWS other than the complaining about others more successful business models this is very different to e.g. sentry

JoshTriplett 2y ago

Many of the Redis developers left to form Valkey, so that they could keep working on the Open Source project they wanted to work on. Valkey is continuing a project that was released under Open Source terms, after the original company rugpulled the Open Source project in favor of a proprietary one. Or, in other words, Valkey is Jenkins here, and Redis is Hudson.

benatkin 2y ago
Indeed. The project had continuity. The trademark exited the building.
antirez 2y ago
> Many of the Redis developers left to form Valkey What's the point of spreading informations that are not true? I believe there is a single person that was in Redis and works there now, at least AFAIK. And this person stopped working at Redis long time ago (and was not a core developer). So I'm not understanding who joined ValKey from Redis folks. Everybody is working at Redis: me, Oran, Yossi, Meir, many others.
- bhouston 2y ago
  > I believe there is a single person that was in Redis and works there now, at least AFAIK. And this person stopped working at Redis long time ago (and was not a core developer). It is probably more correct to say a bunch of Redis contributors left the Redis GitHub project and moved over to Valkey. You can see there are a bunch of contributors listed on this page who seem to predate the fork and who have continued to contribute: https://github.com/valkey-io/valkey/graphs/contributors https://github.com/valkey-io/valkey/graphs/contributors Particularly these contributors standout: https://github.com/enjoy-binbin https://github.com/enjoy-binbin https://github.com/madolson https://github.com/madolson https://github.com/soloestoy https://github.com/soloestoy https://github.com/hwware https://github.com/hwware https://github.com/zuiderkwast https://github.com/zuiderkwast https://github.com/hpatro https://github.com/hpatro https://github.com/pizhenwei https://github.com/pizhenwei
  - rubiquity 2y ago
    Nearly all of them work at cloud providers so they literally just followed their income stream.
    - bhouston 2y ago
      > Nearly all of them work at cloud providers so they literally just followed their income stream. Sure. And same for Redis employees who continue to work on the Redis Github project. All my significant contributions to open source have had financial incentives as well.
    - reconditerose 2y ago
      I know this doesn't mean much, but I spent a lot of time outside of work helping to maintain the Redis codebase. I attended our meetings and responded to issues on vacation because I cared about the community, it was more than just a paycheck for me. I don't regret doing any of that.

bhouston 2y ago

> In a sense, Valkey is the bad guy here. Are all the open source libraries that Redis depends on [1] also evil? Or are we just focused on declaring Redis competitors evil today? [1] https://github.com/redis/redis/tree/unstable/deps https://github.com/redis/redis/tree/unstable/deps

blibble 2y ago

as much as I dislike the hyperscalers parasitising open source... "redis ltd" the company did not originate redis "redis ltd" was originally "Garantia Data": a company that offered hosted redis as a service fundamentally they are/were doing the same thing as AWS/Google: taking an existing open source product they did not originate, and selling hosting for it they may have hired its creator (several years after he wrote it), and since then changed their name to "redis", but they're not any different to GCP/AWS other than the complaining about others more successful business models this is very different to e.g. sentry