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And Valkey with backing from AWS, GCP, and Oracle don't make any money at all ... wait aren't those trillion dollar monopolies? The pot calling the kettle blac

And Valkey with backing from AWS, GCP, and Oracle don't make any money at all ... wait aren't those trillion dollar monopolies? The pot calling the kettle black

bhouston 2y ago
Valkey also has the backing of The Linux Foundation. So maybe it just has a lot of backing in general. https://www.linuxfoundation.org/press/linux-foundation-launches-open-source-valkey-community https://www.linuxfoundation.org/press/linux-foundation-launc... BTW are you an employee of Redis? You seem to have created this account just to reply to me.
- metalnirvana87 2y ago
  And who funds the Linux Foundation? - it is the CSPs themselves - https://chatgpt.com/share/67587e4c-bde8-800b-9f0a-fc824d3d6f71 https://chatgpt.com/share/67587e4c-bde8-800b-9f0a-fc824d3d6f... Any thoughts on CSPs making money from open source projects while the open source developers (e.g., Redis, Mongo, Hashi) suffer)?
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  - caniszczyk 2y ago
    No one organization in the world funds the LF in a way that is more than 1% of the total LF revenue... it has nearly ~2000 members across the world. You can usually get some of this from the LF Annual Report: https://www.linuxfoundation.org/resources/publications/linux-foundation-annual-report-2023 https://www.linuxfoundation.org/resources/publications/linux...
- echelon 2y ago
  The Linux Foundation is a mouthpiece of the closed source, trillion dollar hyperscalers. They're using the deceptive good feels to stop you from questioning their fat margins. Why isn't the entire stack of AWS infra open source, again? Open source has been twisted against us. The big players know where the money and value and power accumulates.
  - bhouston 2y ago
    > Why isn't the entire stack of AWS infra open source, again? This line of argument is untethered from reality. The Linux Foundation actually is the parent of the Cloud Native Computing Foundation (https://www.cncf.io/about/join/ https://www.cncf.io/about/join/), which actually is infrastructure for cloud services: containers, envoy, etcd, helm, istio, Kubernetes, prometheus, etc.
    - echelon 2y ago
      > This line of argument is untethered from reality. You had a business that was acquired by Amazon. I don't know if you're giving this a fair assessment. When the copyright holders of large open source infrastructure projects want revenue from their hard work, Amazon forks them or provides funding to their direct competitors. Amazon can strategically launch free and open source competition to commercialized open source products as a means of keeping more of the cloud spend budget for themselves. The hyperscalers want to commoditize anything that impinges upon their margins. The software should be free, it should run on their clouds, and it should lead to increased cloud spending. Other companies shouldn't dip their hands into the pot. Moreover, hyperscalers get to hoover up "managed" versions of open source software and collect even thicker margins. Redis, Elasticsearch, etc. fly in the face of this strategy, which is why they attack it so relentlessly. The Linux Foundation and CNCF serve its industry contributors. The microservice ecosystem is booming business for AWS, Azure, and GCP. I don't see how this is "untethered from reality". This is cutthroat business, and it's how the trillion dollar companies throw their weight around. If you build open source infrastructure products and don't have an anti-cloud provision, you'll get picked clean by the hyperscalers.

And Valkey with backing from AWS, GCP, and Oracle don't make any money at all ... wait aren't those trillion dollar monopolies? The pot calling the kettle black

bhouston 2y ago

Valkey also has the backing of The Linux Foundation. So maybe it just has a lot of backing in general. https://www.linuxfoundation.org/press/linux-foundation-launches-open-source-valkey-community https://www.linuxfoundation.org/press/linux-foundation-launc... BTW are you an employee of Redis? You seem to have created this account just to reply to me.

metalnirvana87 2y ago
And who funds the Linux Foundation? - it is the CSPs themselves - https://chatgpt.com/share/67587e4c-bde8-800b-9f0a-fc824d3d6f71 https://chatgpt.com/share/67587e4c-bde8-800b-9f0a-fc824d3d6f... Any thoughts on CSPs making money from open source projects while the open source developers (e.g., Redis, Mongo, Hashi) suffer)?
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- caniszczyk 2y ago
  No one organization in the world funds the LF in a way that is more than 1% of the total LF revenue... it has nearly ~2000 members across the world. You can usually get some of this from the LF Annual Report: https://www.linuxfoundation.org/resources/publications/linux-foundation-annual-report-2023 https://www.linuxfoundation.org/resources/publications/linux...
echelon 2y ago
The Linux Foundation is a mouthpiece of the closed source, trillion dollar hyperscalers. They're using the deceptive good feels to stop you from questioning their fat margins. Why isn't the entire stack of AWS infra open source, again? Open source has been twisted against us. The big players know where the money and value and power accumulates.
- bhouston 2y ago
  > Why isn't the entire stack of AWS infra open source, again? This line of argument is untethered from reality. The Linux Foundation actually is the parent of the Cloud Native Computing Foundation (https://www.cncf.io/about/join/ https://www.cncf.io/about/join/), which actually is infrastructure for cloud services: containers, envoy, etcd, helm, istio, Kubernetes, prometheus, etc.
  - echelon 2y ago
    > This line of argument is untethered from reality. You had a business that was acquired by Amazon. I don't know if you're giving this a fair assessment. When the copyright holders of large open source infrastructure projects want revenue from their hard work, Amazon forks them or provides funding to their direct competitors. Amazon can strategically launch free and open source competition to commercialized open source products as a means of keeping more of the cloud spend budget for themselves. The hyperscalers want to commoditize anything that impinges upon their margins. The software should be free, it should run on their clouds, and it should lead to increased cloud spending. Other companies shouldn't dip their hands into the pot. Moreover, hyperscalers get to hoover up "managed" versions of open source software and collect even thicker margins. Redis, Elasticsearch, etc. fly in the face of this strategy, which is why they attack it so relentlessly. The Linux Foundation and CNCF serve its industry contributors. The microservice ecosystem is booming business for AWS, Azure, and GCP. I don't see how this is "untethered from reality". This is cutthroat business, and it's how the trillion dollar companies throw their weight around. If you build open source infrastructure products and don't have an anti-cloud provision, you'll get picked clean by the hyperscalers.