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I covered this in the blog post: no big money involved, I asked to rejoin and without a big paycheck on purpose because to be free to act you should not get too

I covered this in the blog post: no big money involved, I asked to rejoin and without a big paycheck on purpose because to be free to act you should not get too much money, otherwise it's all fake.

bhouston 2y ago
But if you wanted to have influence without a big pay check, why not join Valkey? Redis, the company, in your absence has gotten a reputation as a predatory company that has attacked open source projects in other to further those goals. https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2024/04/redis-license-change-and-forking-are-a-mess-that-everybody-can-feel-bad-about/ https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2024/04/redis... https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39858144 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39858144 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42239607 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42239607
- metalnirvana87 2y ago
  Talking about predatory behavior https://www.forbes.com/sites/justinwarren/2024/04/11/opentofu-responds-to-hashicorp-copyright-infringement-claims/ https://www.forbes.com/sites/justinwarren/2024/04/11/opentof... https://www.ftc.gov/news-events/news/press-releases/2023/09/ftc-sues-amazon-illegally-maintaining-monopoly-power https://www.ftc.gov/news-events/news/press-releases/2023/09/... https://apnews.com/article/google-antitrust-ad-tech-virginia-opening-7a19f525287f782609a5316b1fdb08f0 https://apnews.com/article/google-antitrust-ad-tech-virginia...
- antirez 2y ago
  I want to help Redis to find a good path forward (while I respect the work of everybody). I was sponsored by this company for ages, I know the core hackers there, and they are strong and are good people. I talked with the CEO and he is very interested in finding novel ways to play, so I rejoined Redis and not ValKey. Honestly even if Redis public image has not been stellar recently, I know the people that work at Redis, many engineers are there since the start, and I believe they have huge design abilities and can do what is needed to make Redis more useful for the community.
  - wood_spirit 2y ago
    At least you go into this seeing the reputation that Redis Labs has worked hard on earning recently. Could you not have stayed separate from them while contributing again?
    - antirez 2y ago
      What motivated me was the company idea that with the license change the attitude could change significantly towards providing as much value as possible back to Redis. So merging what is super useful and has been, so far, only available to paying customers, and so forth. Also the company is interested in changing attitude. All these things made me feel that my efforts were better spend doing some bridging work between the community and the company.
- yard2010 2y ago
  Don't hate the player, hate the game.
  - hobs 2y ago
    The player in this context has an outsized influence on the game, the people managing the game are using their work, and contributing more to it is effectively influencing the game in a big way. I don't really hate or care about anyone in this game, but it's a non-trivial move in the game.
- echelon 2y ago
  > why not join Valkey? Valkey is making it possible for hyperscalers to continue appropriating open source and charging fat margins to everyone else. In a sense, Valkey is the bad guy here. And just look at all the support Valkey is getting from Amazon, Google, Oracle, etc. They're perpetuating the problem. The same thing happened with Elasticsearch. Unfortunately ICs without decision-making power started lambasting the Elasticsearch leadership for attempting to fend off AWS and their ilk from absorbing all of the revenues derived from their hard work. Open source is just a commodity feature for hyperscalers. It's time we stop giving it to them for free. This is all about power. We're ceding it to trillion dollar companies because we've been trained that "open source" is ethical. Meanwhile, we don't question the ethics of these companies profiting off of this work while charging us absurd margins. None of the hyperscaler infra is open source.
  - JoshTriplett 2y ago
    Many of the Redis developers left to form Valkey, so that they could keep working on the Open Source project they wanted to work on. Valkey is continuing a project that was released under Open Source terms, after the original company rugpulled the Open Source project in favor of a proprietary one. Or, in other words, Valkey is Jenkins here, and Redis is Hudson.
    - benatkin 2y ago
      Indeed. The project had continuity. The trademark exited the building.
    - antirez 2y ago
      > Many of the Redis developers left to form Valkey What's the point of spreading informations that are not true? I believe there is a single person that was in Redis and works there now, at least AFAIK. And this person stopped working at Redis long time ago (and was not a core developer). So I'm not understanding who joined ValKey from Redis folks. Everybody is working at Redis: me, Oran, Yossi, Meir, many others.
      - 2y ago
yard2010 2y ago
I love this sentiment, I guess you have to have some sort of basic economical confidence to be able to afford this.
- antirez 2y ago
  Yes, past Redis venture provided me covered enough that I can avoid trying to maximize the money side. Money still useful of course but one has to balance I believe.

I covered this in the blog post: no big money involved, I asked to rejoin and without a big paycheck on purpose because to be free to act you should not get too much money, otherwise it's all fake.

bhouston 2y ago

But if you wanted to have influence without a big pay check, why not join Valkey? Redis, the company, in your absence has gotten a reputation as a predatory company that has attacked open source projects in other to further those goals. https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2024/04/redis-license-change-and-forking-are-a-mess-that-everybody-can-feel-bad-about/ https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2024/04/redis... https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39858144 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39858144 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42239607 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42239607

metalnirvana87 2y ago
Talking about predatory behavior https://www.forbes.com/sites/justinwarren/2024/04/11/opentofu-responds-to-hashicorp-copyright-infringement-claims/ https://www.forbes.com/sites/justinwarren/2024/04/11/opentof... https://www.ftc.gov/news-events/news/press-releases/2023/09/ftc-sues-amazon-illegally-maintaining-monopoly-power https://www.ftc.gov/news-events/news/press-releases/2023/09/... https://apnews.com/article/google-antitrust-ad-tech-virginia-opening-7a19f525287f782609a5316b1fdb08f0 https://apnews.com/article/google-antitrust-ad-tech-virginia...
antirez 2y ago
I want to help Redis to find a good path forward (while I respect the work of everybody). I was sponsored by this company for ages, I know the core hackers there, and they are strong and are good people. I talked with the CEO and he is very interested in finding novel ways to play, so I rejoined Redis and not ValKey. Honestly even if Redis public image has not been stellar recently, I know the people that work at Redis, many engineers are there since the start, and I believe they have huge design abilities and can do what is needed to make Redis more useful for the community.
- wood_spirit 2y ago
  At least you go into this seeing the reputation that Redis Labs has worked hard on earning recently. Could you not have stayed separate from them while contributing again?
  - antirez 2y ago
    What motivated me was the company idea that with the license change the attitude could change significantly towards providing as much value as possible back to Redis. So merging what is super useful and has been, so far, only available to paying customers, and so forth. Also the company is interested in changing attitude. All these things made me feel that my efforts were better spend doing some bridging work between the community and the company.
yard2010 2y ago
Don't hate the player, hate the game.
- hobs 2y ago
  The player in this context has an outsized influence on the game, the people managing the game are using their work, and contributing more to it is effectively influencing the game in a big way. I don't really hate or care about anyone in this game, but it's a non-trivial move in the game.
echelon 2y ago
> why not join Valkey? Valkey is making it possible for hyperscalers to continue appropriating open source and charging fat margins to everyone else. In a sense, Valkey is the bad guy here. And just look at all the support Valkey is getting from Amazon, Google, Oracle, etc. They're perpetuating the problem. The same thing happened with Elasticsearch. Unfortunately ICs without decision-making power started lambasting the Elasticsearch leadership for attempting to fend off AWS and their ilk from absorbing all of the revenues derived from their hard work. Open source is just a commodity feature for hyperscalers. It's time we stop giving it to them for free. This is all about power. We're ceding it to trillion dollar companies because we've been trained that "open source" is ethical. Meanwhile, we don't question the ethics of these companies profiting off of this work while charging us absurd margins. None of the hyperscaler infra is open source.
- JoshTriplett 2y ago
  Many of the Redis developers left to form Valkey, so that they could keep working on the Open Source project they wanted to work on. Valkey is continuing a project that was released under Open Source terms, after the original company rugpulled the Open Source project in favor of a proprietary one. Or, in other words, Valkey is Jenkins here, and Redis is Hudson.
  - benatkin 2y ago
    Indeed. The project had continuity. The trademark exited the building.
  - antirez 2y ago
    > Many of the Redis developers left to form Valkey What's the point of spreading informations that are not true? I believe there is a single person that was in Redis and works there now, at least AFAIK. And this person stopped working at Redis long time ago (and was not a core developer). So I'm not understanding who joined ValKey from Redis folks. Everybody is working at Redis: me, Oran, Yossi, Meir, many others.
    - 2y ago

yard2010 2y ago

I love this sentiment, I guess you have to have some sort of basic economical confidence to be able to afford this.

antirez 2y ago
Yes, past Redis venture provided me covered enough that I can avoid trying to maximize the money side. Money still useful of course but one has to balance I believe.