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I suspect he is going to make a lot of money coming back to save Redis from the negative press they have been having recently as well as the threat of Valkey.

I suspect he is going to make a lot of money coming back to save Redis from the negative press they have been having recently as well as the threat of Valkey. I sort of have to view it in light of all the other events that have been happening to Redis.

metalnirvana87 2y ago
And Valkey with backing from AWS, GCP, and Oracle don't make any money at all ... wait aren't those trillion dollar monopolies? The pot calling the kettle black
- bhouston 2y ago
  Valkey also has the backing of The Linux Foundation. So maybe it just has a lot of backing in general. https://www.linuxfoundation.org/press/linux-foundation-launches-open-source-valkey-community https://www.linuxfoundation.org/press/linux-foundation-launc... BTW are you an employee of Redis? You seem to have created this account just to reply to me.
  - metalnirvana87 2y ago
    And who funds the Linux Foundation? - it is the CSPs themselves - https://chatgpt.com/share/67587e4c-bde8-800b-9f0a-fc824d3d6f71 https://chatgpt.com/share/67587e4c-bde8-800b-9f0a-fc824d3d6f... Any thoughts on CSPs making money from open source projects while the open source developers (e.g., Redis, Mongo, Hashi) suffer)?
    - deleted 2y ago
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    - caniszczyk 2y ago
      No one organization in the world funds the LF in a way that is more than 1% of the total LF revenue... it has nearly ~2000 members across the world. You can usually get some of this from the LF Annual Report: https://www.linuxfoundation.org/resources/publications/linux-foundation-annual-report-2023 https://www.linuxfoundation.org/resources/publications/linux...
  - echelon 2y ago
    The Linux Foundation is a mouthpiece of the closed source, trillion dollar hyperscalers. They're using the deceptive good feels to stop you from questioning their fat margins. Why isn't the entire stack of AWS infra open source, again? Open source has been twisted against us. The big players know where the money and value and power accumulates.
    - bhouston 2y ago
      > Why isn't the entire stack of AWS infra open source, again? This line of argument is untethered from reality. The Linux Foundation actually is the parent of the Cloud Native Computing Foundation (https://www.cncf.io/about/join/ https://www.cncf.io/about/join/), which actually is infrastructure for cloud services: containers, envoy, etcd, helm, istio, Kubernetes, prometheus, etc.
      - echelon 2y ago
        > This line of argument is untethered from reality. You had a business that was acquired by Amazon. I don't know if you're giving this a fair assessment. When the copyright holders of large open source infrastructure projects want revenue from their hard work, Amazon forks them or provides funding to their direct competitors. Amazon can strategically launch free and open source competition to commercialized open source products as a means of keeping more of the cloud spend budget for themselves. The hyperscalers want to commoditize anything that impinges upon their margins. The software should be free, it should run on their clouds, and it should lead to increased cloud spending. Other companies shouldn't dip their hands into the pot. Moreover, hyperscalers get to hoover up "managed" versions of open source software and collect even thicker margins. Redis, Elasticsearch, etc. fly in the face of this strategy, which is why they attack it so relentlessly. The Linux Foundation and CNCF serve its industry contributors. The microservice ecosystem is booming business for AWS, Azure, and GCP. I don't see how this is "untethered from reality". This is cutthroat business, and it's how the trillion dollar companies throw their weight around. If you build open source infrastructure products and don't have an anti-cloud provision, you'll get picked clean by the hyperscalers.
antirez 2y ago
I covered this in the blog post: no big money involved, I asked to rejoin and without a big paycheck on purpose because to be free to act you should not get too much money, otherwise it's all fake.
- bhouston 2y ago
  But if you wanted to have influence without a big pay check, why not join Valkey? Redis, the company, in your absence has gotten a reputation as a predatory company that has attacked open source projects in other to further those goals. https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2024/04/redis-license-change-and-forking-are-a-mess-that-everybody-can-feel-bad-about/ https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2024/04/redis... https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39858144 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39858144 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42239607 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42239607
  - metalnirvana87 2y ago
    Talking about predatory behavior https://www.forbes.com/sites/justinwarren/2024/04/11/opentofu-responds-to-hashicorp-copyright-infringement-claims/ https://www.forbes.com/sites/justinwarren/2024/04/11/opentof... https://www.ftc.gov/news-events/news/press-releases/2023/09/ftc-sues-amazon-illegally-maintaining-monopoly-power https://www.ftc.gov/news-events/news/press-releases/2023/09/... https://apnews.com/article/google-antitrust-ad-tech-virginia-opening-7a19f525287f782609a5316b1fdb08f0 https://apnews.com/article/google-antitrust-ad-tech-virginia...
  - antirez 2y ago
    I want to help Redis to find a good path forward (while I respect the work of everybody). I was sponsored by this company for ages, I know the core hackers there, and they are strong and are good people. I talked with the CEO and he is very interested in finding novel ways to play, so I rejoined Redis and not ValKey. Honestly even if Redis public image has not been stellar recently, I know the people that work at Redis, many engineers are there since the start, and I believe they have huge design abilities and can do what is needed to make Redis more useful for the community.

metalnirvana87 2y ago

And Valkey with backing from AWS, GCP, and Oracle don't make any money at all ... wait aren't those trillion dollar monopolies? The pot calling the kettle black

bhouston 2y ago
Valkey also has the backing of The Linux Foundation. So maybe it just has a lot of backing in general. https://www.linuxfoundation.org/press/linux-foundation-launches-open-source-valkey-community https://www.linuxfoundation.org/press/linux-foundation-launc... BTW are you an employee of Redis? You seem to have created this account just to reply to me.
- metalnirvana87 2y ago
  And who funds the Linux Foundation? - it is the CSPs themselves - https://chatgpt.com/share/67587e4c-bde8-800b-9f0a-fc824d3d6f71 https://chatgpt.com/share/67587e4c-bde8-800b-9f0a-fc824d3d6f... Any thoughts on CSPs making money from open source projects while the open source developers (e.g., Redis, Mongo, Hashi) suffer)?
  - deleted 2y ago
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  - caniszczyk 2y ago
    No one organization in the world funds the LF in a way that is more than 1% of the total LF revenue... it has nearly ~2000 members across the world. You can usually get some of this from the LF Annual Report: https://www.linuxfoundation.org/resources/publications/linux-foundation-annual-report-2023 https://www.linuxfoundation.org/resources/publications/linux...
- echelon 2y ago
  The Linux Foundation is a mouthpiece of the closed source, trillion dollar hyperscalers. They're using the deceptive good feels to stop you from questioning their fat margins. Why isn't the entire stack of AWS infra open source, again? Open source has been twisted against us. The big players know where the money and value and power accumulates.
  - bhouston 2y ago
    > Why isn't the entire stack of AWS infra open source, again? This line of argument is untethered from reality. The Linux Foundation actually is the parent of the Cloud Native Computing Foundation (https://www.cncf.io/about/join/ https://www.cncf.io/about/join/), which actually is infrastructure for cloud services: containers, envoy, etcd, helm, istio, Kubernetes, prometheus, etc.
    - echelon 2y ago
      > This line of argument is untethered from reality. You had a business that was acquired by Amazon. I don't know if you're giving this a fair assessment. When the copyright holders of large open source infrastructure projects want revenue from their hard work, Amazon forks them or provides funding to their direct competitors. Amazon can strategically launch free and open source competition to commercialized open source products as a means of keeping more of the cloud spend budget for themselves. The hyperscalers want to commoditize anything that impinges upon their margins. The software should be free, it should run on their clouds, and it should lead to increased cloud spending. Other companies shouldn't dip their hands into the pot. Moreover, hyperscalers get to hoover up "managed" versions of open source software and collect even thicker margins. Redis, Elasticsearch, etc. fly in the face of this strategy, which is why they attack it so relentlessly. The Linux Foundation and CNCF serve its industry contributors. The microservice ecosystem is booming business for AWS, Azure, and GCP. I don't see how this is "untethered from reality". This is cutthroat business, and it's how the trillion dollar companies throw their weight around. If you build open source infrastructure products and don't have an anti-cloud provision, you'll get picked clean by the hyperscalers.

antirez 2y ago

I covered this in the blog post: no big money involved, I asked to rejoin and without a big paycheck on purpose because to be free to act you should not get too much money, otherwise it's all fake.

bhouston 2y ago
But if you wanted to have influence without a big pay check, why not join Valkey? Redis, the company, in your absence has gotten a reputation as a predatory company that has attacked open source projects in other to further those goals. https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2024/04/redis-license-change-and-forking-are-a-mess-that-everybody-can-feel-bad-about/ https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2024/04/redis... https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39858144 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39858144 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42239607 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42239607
- metalnirvana87 2y ago
  Talking about predatory behavior https://www.forbes.com/sites/justinwarren/2024/04/11/opentofu-responds-to-hashicorp-copyright-infringement-claims/ https://www.forbes.com/sites/justinwarren/2024/04/11/opentof... https://www.ftc.gov/news-events/news/press-releases/2023/09/ftc-sues-amazon-illegally-maintaining-monopoly-power https://www.ftc.gov/news-events/news/press-releases/2023/09/... https://apnews.com/article/google-antitrust-ad-tech-virginia-opening-7a19f525287f782609a5316b1fdb08f0 https://apnews.com/article/google-antitrust-ad-tech-virginia...
- antirez 2y ago
  I want to help Redis to find a good path forward (while I respect the work of everybody). I was sponsored by this company for ages, I know the core hackers there, and they are strong and are good people. I talked with the CEO and he is very interested in finding novel ways to play, so I rejoined Redis and not ValKey. Honestly even if Redis public image has not been stellar recently, I know the people that work at Redis, many engineers are there since the start, and I believe they have huge design abilities and can do what is needed to make Redis more useful for the community.