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A CEO like this is an employee. He didn’t invent private insurance. He doesn’t get the 50 billion a year. He is a symbolic scapegoat. Every person with a 401k

A CEO like this is an employee. He didn’t invent private insurance. He doesn’t get the 50 billion a year. He is a symbolic scapegoat. Every person with a 401k probably owns UHC somewhere, and they expect it to increase every year. He is merely part of the system to help make that happen. Try going into work tomorrow and saying “boss I think our VP’s initiatives are wrong and I’m going to take us in a different direction”.

lolc 2y ago
There are good reasons to oppose his murder, but they are not found within him.
- liontwist 2y ago
  I don’t have to defend anyone against murder, it’s illegal and wrong.
  - pie420 2y ago
    Usually illegal, not always wrong.
    - liontwist 2y ago
      I would prefer to see a distasteful person sent to retire to rural North Dakota, rather than murdered, but maybe I’m a little soft.
  - lolc 2y ago
    Just a cog, is your defense of him.
    - liontwist 2y ago
      Do you think UHC is bad because the CEO happens to be a uniquely evil person and if it was someone with a good heart it would be good?
      - lolc 2y ago
        What kind of alternate reality would that be? The people heading these companies are good at rationalizing why they are not evil. Don't play their game. The interesting question to me is where murder is justified in your ethics. You came in with absolutes, after defending him.
ceejayoz 2y ago
> He is merely part of the system to help make that happen. Yeah, we saw that defense at Nuremberg. Didn't work. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Superior_orders https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Superior_orders
- liontwist 2y ago
  I’m sure you never do anything because it’s enforced by the systems you are a part of. Always an independent thinker, looking out for your personal integrity. You’re also comparing an insurance CEO to nazi organizers. Reality check. The serious point is that blaming individual moral character is not going to fix healthcare. We need systemic change.
  - ceejayoz 2y ago
    > I’m sure you never do anything because it’s enforced by the systems you are a part of. I mean, I can quite confidently state I've not received tens of millions of dollars for my role in denying medical care to millions of people. > You’re also comparing an insurance CEO to nazi organizers. Reality check. I'm saying "I'm just a little peon in the system!" isn't a good defense. Doubly so for C-suite level folks. This wasn't some call center drone following a script. > The serious point is that blaming individual moral character is not going to fix healthcare. We need systemic change. Systemic change often requires individual people to be ashamed of the current setup.
    - liontwist 2y ago
      Ok just to be clear: Your position is that UHC is bad because of the exceptionally poor morality of the CEO? And that if we name, shame, and threaten we will hopefully get a moral one who will turn it around? > I'm just a little peon in the system!" isn't a good defense. I agree. It’s not a good way to morally justify to yourself why you killed someone.
      - ceejayoz 2y ago
        My position is that a CEO of a large publicly traded company doesn’t get to shimmy out of responsibility by going “woe is me, it’s the system’s fault!” I think if the system keeps refusing to change something breaks. We just saw that in Syria. I think people are unsympathetic in this case because health insurers have already broken the social compact they’re supposed to operate within.

lolc 2y ago

There are good reasons to oppose his murder, but they are not found within him.

liontwist 2y ago
I don’t have to defend anyone against murder, it’s illegal and wrong.
- pie420 2y ago
  Usually illegal, not always wrong.
  - liontwist 2y ago
    I would prefer to see a distasteful person sent to retire to rural North Dakota, rather than murdered, but maybe I’m a little soft.
- lolc 2y ago
  Just a cog, is your defense of him.
  - liontwist 2y ago
    Do you think UHC is bad because the CEO happens to be a uniquely evil person and if it was someone with a good heart it would be good?
    - lolc 2y ago
      What kind of alternate reality would that be? The people heading these companies are good at rationalizing why they are not evil. Don't play their game. The interesting question to me is where murder is justified in your ethics. You came in with absolutes, after defending him.

ceejayoz 2y ago

> He is merely part of the system to help make that happen. Yeah, we saw that defense at Nuremberg. Didn't work. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Superior_orders https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Superior_orders

liontwist 2y ago
I’m sure you never do anything because it’s enforced by the systems you are a part of. Always an independent thinker, looking out for your personal integrity. You’re also comparing an insurance CEO to nazi organizers. Reality check. The serious point is that blaming individual moral character is not going to fix healthcare. We need systemic change.
- ceejayoz 2y ago
  > I’m sure you never do anything because it’s enforced by the systems you are a part of. I mean, I can quite confidently state I've not received tens of millions of dollars for my role in denying medical care to millions of people. > You’re also comparing an insurance CEO to nazi organizers. Reality check. I'm saying "I'm just a little peon in the system!" isn't a good defense. Doubly so for C-suite level folks. This wasn't some call center drone following a script. > The serious point is that blaming individual moral character is not going to fix healthcare. We need systemic change. Systemic change often requires individual people to be ashamed of the current setup.
  - liontwist 2y ago
    Ok just to be clear: Your position is that UHC is bad because of the exceptionally poor morality of the CEO? And that if we name, shame, and threaten we will hopefully get a moral one who will turn it around? > I'm just a little peon in the system!" isn't a good defense. I agree. It’s not a good way to morally justify to yourself why you killed someone.
    - ceejayoz 2y ago
      My position is that a CEO of a large publicly traded company doesn’t get to shimmy out of responsibility by going “woe is me, it’s the system’s fault!” I think if the system keeps refusing to change something breaks. We just saw that in Syria. I think people are unsympathetic in this case because health insurers have already broken the social compact they’re supposed to operate within.