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Only the CEO or everyone that works there?
by 3a2d29 2y ago
Only the CEO or everyone that works there?
- lenerdenator 2y agoHow many people in the claims adjudication call center are making ~5 times the median American male's lifetime earnings each year, every year?
- allturtles 2y agoWhat's the income threshold for people who are eligible for murder? Surely the whole board and the C-Suite. Senior VPs? VPs?
- lenerdenator 2y agoCynically, this sounds to me like something that people typically suggest we leave up to markets. Is that insane? Yes, but it's already a business model, and health insurance basically does that. These people make vast sums of money every year by asking the American people what it's worth to them to not be ruined by a chance illness or injury, then finding ways to make sure they don't have to save people from financial ruin or death. I don't see how that's really so different from a protection racket, except for the fact that most protection rackets were operated with more good faith effort towards the extorted.
- gruez 2y ago>These people make vast sums of money every year by asking the American people what it's worth to them to not be ruined by a chance illness or injury, then finding ways to make sure they don't have to save people from financial ruin or death. I don't see how that's really so different from a protection racket, except for the fact that most protection rackets were operated with more good faith effort towards the extorted. This definition of a "protection racket" is a bit loose. By similar logic landlords are also a "protection racket" for having a place to hive.
- lenerdenator 2y ago> This definition of a "protection racket" is a bit loose. By similar logic landlords are also a "protection racket" for having a place to hive. “As soon as the land of any country has all become private property, the landlords, like all other men, love to reap where they never sowed and demand a rent even for its natural produce.” - known Marxist-Leninist Adam Smith
- gruez 2y agoAn apartment, or healthcare is hardly "natural produce".
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- chasd00 2y agoI was thinking the same thing. Oh and why stay in the healthcare vertical? Surely the CEO and employees of Raytheon deserve to be shot in the back leaving a hotel. What a ridiculous set of conversations…
- latentcall 2y agoAre you being sarcastic here? I just got off work and still have the brain fog.
- benced 2y agoMost of those people are making several multiples the average Indian's lifetime earnings. Should those call center folks pay for the Indians' healthcare?
- lenerdenator 2y agoIndia already has a multi-payer universal healthcare system. It's also not an American's business to come in and tell India how to run its healthcare system.
- benced 2y agoThat's a cop-out. Just as the CEOs could transfer their higher wealth to average Americans, average Americans could transfer their higher wealth to Indians without changing or giving input on their healthcare system. (which is absolutely not universal in any OECD-country sense)
- dwallin 2y agoResponsibility for the actions of a company should be somewhat proportional to the amount of profit derived from said activities.
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- uoaei 2y agoIt's okay if you are uncomfortable in morally ambiguous situations, the most moral thing to do in those circumstances is recuse yourself.
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- dwallin 2y agoI would seriously wonder how much you understand about proportions given the average nurse makes about 00.000002% of the $4.5 trillion in annual health care spending in the USA. I also didn't say that should be the only factor. Clearly proximate responsibility for the relevant decisions should be (and already is) part of the equation.
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- ARandomerDude 2y agoSo if you kill people but you only make $30K a year then no big deal. But if they 100x your salary now you're a real bad guy. That can't be right.
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- clarionbell 2y agoThat's the scary part. It's very tempting to just sentence someone like this. But more you dwell on it, the worst it gets. There is a reason why death penalty is considered an extreme.
- tristor 2y agoThe entire argument for high CEO renumeration is that they take on total responsibility for all actions of the company. The buck stops with them. So, why do we think it's acceptable for that not to be the case when the company does something bad?
- 3a2d29 2y agoThats a good argument in a vacuum. But the world has determined "I was just following orders" is not a good defense. We know the crimes against humanity are bad and subordinates are guilty if they do them. We don;t just let everyone off free except the head of state. Not to see that united healtcare (as bad as they are) are anywhere near that, but I am saying that its clear that we, as a society, already hold all people complicit in evil as guilty. Not just the person at the top.
- defrost 2y agoWith a good many exceptions. The US as a society allows its citizens actions that the US as a country has prosecuted others for. eg: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Trial_of_Henry_Kissinger https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Trial_of_Henry_Kissinger