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Cattle produce extreme amounts of methane, which is a far worse greenhouse gas than carbon dioxide. It might be ethical for the cows, but not for the climate un

Cattle produce extreme amounts of methane, which is a far worse greenhouse gas than carbon dioxide. It might be ethical for the cows, but not for the climate unfortunately.

delichon 2y ago
Cattle produce a normal amount of methane for ruminants, and we evolved to eat ruminants, following them around in their migrations, and eating grass indirectly through them. I was a vegan for years and my health deteriorated. I honestly believe that I would be dead now if I didn't change. I do not feel morally ambiguous about eating the food that I was evolved to eat, for the purpose of my own survival, and emitting the necessary quantity of greenhouse gasses in the process. I'm not willing to live the smallest, least healthy life I can tolerate in order to make room for more people to do the same. A high population count does not strike me as a worthy goal, but a healthy and happy one does.
- lambdaba 2y ago
  Same here bro/sis, eating only beef was transformative for autoimmune issues I had for years. There was simply no alternative that would give me a good quality of life, just heavy medication with awful side effects.
  - tomthe 2y ago
    Wait, you eat only beef? Or beef as the only source of meat?
    - lambdaba 2y ago
      Only beef, it's a variant of the carnivore diet that excludes common autoimmune triggers, like eggs & dairy.
      - Vampiero 2y ago
        Won't that give you gout?
        lambdaba 2y ago
        No, there are people following a leaner version of the diet who have no such issues. I eat moderate protein though (80-100g).
      - andrekandre 2y ago
        > Only beef, it's a variant of the carnivore diet that excludes common autoimmune triggers, like eggs & dairy. what about chicken, or fish? are those considered auto-immune triggers?
        lambdaba 2y ago
        There is a lot of low quality chicken, both fish and chicken have very little fat. And their fatty acid profile is not ideal.
- ornornor 2y ago
  > a vegan for years and my health deteriorated That’s unfortunate and I’m sorry to hear that. For others reading, know that this is extremely rare. Most people on a vegan diet are healthy (you have to make sure you’re eating a balanced diet, and you don’t need nearly as much protein as you think you do). For iron (which can be lacking especially in women), cook on a cast iron or high carbon steel pan and it will transfer iron into your food that you’ll absorb. I encourage people who are curious about it to watch « Game Changers » where top athletes (Lewis Hamilton, Schwarzenegger, others) talk about switching to a vegan diet and it’s effect on their health and performance. https://www.netflix.com/title/81157840 https://www.netflix.com/title/81157840
  - delichon 2y ago
    It's not so rare in my experience. I was deeply into the vegan scene in Santa Cruz CA with a crowd of quite committed people. Perhaps excessively so. Very clean, mostly raw diets. Several good friends dropped out for health issues like brain fog, cold sensitivity, heart palpitations. Others did quite well. I only know of one who is still vegan two decades later but there are probably others. And of course people who start down such a path are liable to have pre existing conditions. But it's sad to see the people that it isn't working for stay with it for too long out of a sense of shame or a need for community. I wish it were less a matter of identity.
  - aziaziazi 2y ago
    Does this pan trick really gives you iron in a form you can assimilate and in a miningfull quantity?
    - ornornor 2y ago
      Surprisingly, yes. My partner had iron deficiency problems and had to take iron pills (which are made from animal blood afaik and give bad stomach aches). If you use the pan very regularly, the trace amounts are enough to add up to enough iron. She doesn’t have that problem anymore for years now. It’s also the idea behind the lucky iron fish[0] to supplement the diet of people in Cambodia where anemia seems to be a problem. [0]: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lucky_iron_fish https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lucky_iron_fish

Cattle produce extreme amounts of methane, which is a far worse greenhouse gas than carbon dioxide. It might be ethical for the cows, but not for the climate unfortunately.

delichon 2y ago

Cattle produce a normal amount of methane for ruminants, and we evolved to eat ruminants, following them around in their migrations, and eating grass indirectly through them. I was a vegan for years and my health deteriorated. I honestly believe that I would be dead now if I didn't change. I do not feel morally ambiguous about eating the food that I was evolved to eat, for the purpose of my own survival, and emitting the necessary quantity of greenhouse gasses in the process. I'm not willing to live the smallest, least healthy life I can tolerate in order to make room for more people to do the same. A high population count does not strike me as a worthy goal, but a healthy and happy one does.

lambdaba 2y ago
Same here bro/sis, eating only beef was transformative for autoimmune issues I had for years. There was simply no alternative that would give me a good quality of life, just heavy medication with awful side effects.
- tomthe 2y ago
  Wait, you eat only beef? Or beef as the only source of meat?
  - lambdaba 2y ago
    Only beef, it's a variant of the carnivore diet that excludes common autoimmune triggers, like eggs & dairy.
    - Vampiero 2y ago
      Won't that give you gout?
      - lambdaba 2y ago
        No, there are people following a leaner version of the diet who have no such issues. I eat moderate protein though (80-100g).
    - andrekandre 2y ago
      > Only beef, it's a variant of the carnivore diet that excludes common autoimmune triggers, like eggs & dairy. what about chicken, or fish? are those considered auto-immune triggers?
      - lambdaba 2y ago
        There is a lot of low quality chicken, both fish and chicken have very little fat. And their fatty acid profile is not ideal.
ornornor 2y ago
> a vegan for years and my health deteriorated That’s unfortunate and I’m sorry to hear that. For others reading, know that this is extremely rare. Most people on a vegan diet are healthy (you have to make sure you’re eating a balanced diet, and you don’t need nearly as much protein as you think you do). For iron (which can be lacking especially in women), cook on a cast iron or high carbon steel pan and it will transfer iron into your food that you’ll absorb. I encourage people who are curious about it to watch « Game Changers » where top athletes (Lewis Hamilton, Schwarzenegger, others) talk about switching to a vegan diet and it’s effect on their health and performance. https://www.netflix.com/title/81157840 https://www.netflix.com/title/81157840
- delichon 2y ago
  It's not so rare in my experience. I was deeply into the vegan scene in Santa Cruz CA with a crowd of quite committed people. Perhaps excessively so. Very clean, mostly raw diets. Several good friends dropped out for health issues like brain fog, cold sensitivity, heart palpitations. Others did quite well. I only know of one who is still vegan two decades later but there are probably others. And of course people who start down such a path are liable to have pre existing conditions. But it's sad to see the people that it isn't working for stay with it for too long out of a sense of shame or a need for community. I wish it were less a matter of identity.
- aziaziazi 2y ago
  Does this pan trick really gives you iron in a form you can assimilate and in a miningfull quantity?
  - ornornor 2y ago
    Surprisingly, yes. My partner had iron deficiency problems and had to take iron pills (which are made from animal blood afaik and give bad stomach aches). If you use the pan very regularly, the trace amounts are enough to add up to enough iron. She doesn’t have that problem anymore for years now. It’s also the idea behind the lucky iron fish[0] to supplement the diet of people in Cambodia where anemia seems to be a problem. [0]: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lucky_iron_fish https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lucky_iron_fish