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"basically in the same category as us in terms of morality". Nah. I use intelligence as a proxy for capacity to suffer. So eating a monkey is worse than eating

by zulban 2y ago

"basically in the same category as us in terms of morality". Nah. I use intelligence as a proxy for capacity to suffer. So eating a monkey is worse than eating a cow, which is worse than eating a fish or chicken. Environmental impact is another facet tho. If you just think "eating all animals is 100% horrible" then you're not facing the nuances of reality. You can make a realistic change like eating a bit less whales and cows and eat chickens instead. It's not perfect but it's better. With your all or nothing thinking you might also want to avoid eating all eggs because egg farms are so inhumane for the chickens. Whereas if you buy the eggs where the chickens are treated better like free range, it's still bad but it's far better. And you're helping shape the industry.

butlike 2y ago
There's a big assumption in using that proxy as a capacity to suffer.
ornornor 2y ago
> you're not facing the nuances of reality. Why not? And how did you come up with your taxonomy on animal intelligence and acceptable amount of suffering to inflict them? > egg farms are so inhumane Because they are? Industrial cages don’t even have enough space for the chicken to turn around. They are spent after a year of laying eggs and slaughtered for meat. Hatched chicks that are male are ground alive. Chickens get their beaks (that has a lot of nerves in it) sliced off without anesthesia. They get pumped full of antibiotics because diseases are rampant in high density farming. Chicken breast chickens are engineered to grow huge breasts too fast and they can’t even stand up. Industrial farming is the worst, but any kind of farming comes at the expense of the animal wellbeing. Money not spent on the animal is money earned: that is fundamentally broken and can’t result in good outcomes for the animal especially when they can’t express themselves the way we can.

by zulban 2y ago

butlike 2y ago

There's a big assumption in using that proxy as a capacity to suffer.

ornornor 2y ago

> you're not facing the nuances of reality. Why not? And how did you come up with your taxonomy on animal intelligence and acceptable amount of suffering to inflict them? > egg farms are so inhumane Because they are? Industrial cages don’t even have enough space for the chicken to turn around. They are spent after a year of laying eggs and slaughtered for meat. Hatched chicks that are male are ground alive. Chickens get their beaks (that has a lot of nerves in it) sliced off without anesthesia. They get pumped full of antibiotics because diseases are rampant in high density farming. Chicken breast chickens are engineered to grow huge breasts too fast and they can’t even stand up. Industrial farming is the worst, but any kind of farming comes at the expense of the animal wellbeing. Money not spent on the animal is money earned: that is fundamentally broken and can’t result in good outcomes for the animal especially when they can’t express themselves the way we can.