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Right - we're in agreement. There are numerous factors which influence metabolic activity, all of them can influence weight gain or loss independently diet and

by dbspin 2y ago

Right - we're in agreement. There are numerous factors which influence metabolic activity, all of them can influence weight gain or loss independently diet and exercise.

CharlieDigital 2y ago
It's still calories in vs calories out. You age and the calories out decreases; therefore, to maintain a stable body mass, your calories in must decrease as well. If you do not decrease calories in, then the result is gain in mass due to storage of excess calories. Calories in, calories out.
- dbspin 2y ago
  That's reductive to the point out outright inaccuracy. The calories you consume affect your weight differently depending on your level of metabolic activity. So the key mediator here is how your body processes the calories you consume. But talking about calories is wrong in any case. All calories are not the same. For example increasing glycemic index by consuming sugars and carbohydrates will lead to greater and more prolonged weight gain than consuming the same calorific load in protein - https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/12081852/ https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/12081852/ It's simple misinformation to focus on calories rather than carbohydrate levels, physical activity, healthy gut bacteria etc.
  - ltbarcly3 2y ago
    Sorry but you are not correct. If you find the number of calories you burn daily with your current diet, and you eat 500 calories below that, I will bet you $1000 that you can't find any combination of foods, whether its pure corn syrup or pure hog fat or anything else that cause you to gain weight as long as you keep the calories below that threshold. I'll bet another $1000 that there are no foods you can find where you don't gain weight eating 500 above that threshold. Show me the study that says otherwise. The "complex interaction" theory is just an excuse used by people for failing to cut calories enough to lose weight. Notice that people taking GLP1 drugs don't have to adjust for all these complexities at all.
    - marsovo 2y ago
      So certain are you? How are we measuring the calories for this bet, by what's on the package? How does that number on the package get measured? When I eat nuts, cashews, etc., did 100% of the food get digested and absorbed? A day later or so, there seems to be counterevidence of that plainly visible in the bathroom.
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      - ltbarcly3 2y ago
        You are mixing up 2 issues here. We're not debating what % of food gets digested, so it's off topic. We are talking about the theory that if you eat fructose, or if you eat 'highly processed foods' there is some complex hormone response that causes those calories to be preferentially stored as fat or to slow the metabolism down so they aren't burned. For sure you are correct when you say that the calories on the label of a food is just an estimate, and not a very good one.
        Pooge 2y ago
        > You are mixing up 2 issues here. When people talk about "restricting your caloric intake", they are very obviously talking about what's written on the package and not after making calculations based on whether it's fat, protein or carbohydrates. So I think both issues are very tightly related.
        ltbarcly3 2y ago
        I was hoping I gave myself plenty of buffer by making it 500 calories of deficit (which is pretty large), but maybe you can teach me something new. What's the diet you would eat every day to get into a calorie surplus even though you are in >500 calorie deficit according to the labels?
        Pooge 2y ago

by dbspin 2y ago

Right - we're in agreement. There are numerous factors which influence metabolic activity, all of them can influence weight gain or loss independently diet and exercise.

CharlieDigital 2y ago

It's still calories in vs calories out. You age and the calories out decreases; therefore, to maintain a stable body mass, your calories in must decrease as well. If you do not decrease calories in, then the result is gain in mass due to storage of excess calories. Calories in, calories out.

dbspin 2y ago
That's reductive to the point out outright inaccuracy. The calories you consume affect your weight differently depending on your level of metabolic activity. So the key mediator here is how your body processes the calories you consume. But talking about calories is wrong in any case. All calories are not the same. For example increasing glycemic index by consuming sugars and carbohydrates will lead to greater and more prolonged weight gain than consuming the same calorific load in protein - https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/12081852/ https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/12081852/ It's simple misinformation to focus on calories rather than carbohydrate levels, physical activity, healthy gut bacteria etc.
- ltbarcly3 2y ago
  Sorry but you are not correct. If you find the number of calories you burn daily with your current diet, and you eat 500 calories below that, I will bet you $1000 that you can't find any combination of foods, whether its pure corn syrup or pure hog fat or anything else that cause you to gain weight as long as you keep the calories below that threshold. I'll bet another $1000 that there are no foods you can find where you don't gain weight eating 500 above that threshold. Show me the study that says otherwise. The "complex interaction" theory is just an excuse used by people for failing to cut calories enough to lose weight. Notice that people taking GLP1 drugs don't have to adjust for all these complexities at all.
  - marsovo 2y ago
    So certain are you? How are we measuring the calories for this bet, by what's on the package? How does that number on the package get measured? When I eat nuts, cashews, etc., did 100% of the food get digested and absorbed? A day later or so, there seems to be counterevidence of that plainly visible in the bathroom.
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    - ltbarcly3 2y ago
      You are mixing up 2 issues here. We're not debating what % of food gets digested, so it's off topic. We are talking about the theory that if you eat fructose, or if you eat 'highly processed foods' there is some complex hormone response that causes those calories to be preferentially stored as fat or to slow the metabolism down so they aren't burned. For sure you are correct when you say that the calories on the label of a food is just an estimate, and not a very good one.
      - Pooge 2y ago
        > You are mixing up 2 issues here. When people talk about "restricting your caloric intake", they are very obviously talking about what's written on the package and not after making calculations based on whether it's fat, protein or carbohydrates. So I think both issues are very tightly related.
        ltbarcly3 2y ago
        I was hoping I gave myself plenty of buffer by making it 500 calories of deficit (which is pretty large), but maybe you can teach me something new. What's the diet you would eat every day to get into a calorie surplus even though you are in >500 calorie deficit according to the labels?
        Pooge 2y ago