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I agree that the system needs to change. I agree it's fair to criticize executives who are responsible for suffering. But I also think we have to be very care

I agree that the system needs to change. I agree it's fair to criticize executives who are responsible for suffering. But I also think we have to be very careful with the messaging about that. Because I don't want to live in a society where we think that violence is an acceptable solution to injustice. It doesn't lead to a good place. Yes, sometimes it's necessary. But very very very rarely.

amanaplanacanal 2y ago
Violence is always the solution. We just usually deputize the police and courts and prisons to do it for us.
- ithkuil 2y ago
  Even that violence is better when minimized right? You don't want police to apply excessive force. You won't want innocent bystanders to be shot by the police. You don't want the police to hurt people just because they think they may be guilty, etc. Those things do happen and when they happen people get upset and rightfully so.
- hellojesus 2y ago
  Violence is only necessary when people refuse to abide by the rules. If nobody was violent, cops wouldn't need to be. If people adhered to the system and went to jail whem convicted, there would be no problems. Violence begets violence. It is possible to craft a society where we leave it in our past.
autoexec 2y ago
> Because I don't want to live in a society where we think that violence is an acceptable solution to injustice. Personally, I'm with you. I absolutely don't want justice delivered via a mob or a vigilante without due process or the other protections that a fair justice system is supposed to provide us with. This is why it's so important that congress, police, prosecutors, judges, and even juries do their jobs. If the people have no legal, accessible, and effective means to get justice they might resort to illegal means to get it. The longer people are denied justice, the more likely it is they'll take it into their own hands.
- ithkuil 2y ago
  There are peaceful means to affect policy. But not only you have to vote for the right people, you also have to let candidates know what they have to promise in order to gain the votes. This election cycle nobody quite focused on healthcare; more abstract culture wars were in focus instead. You can't blame that on congress and on judges etc. The whole society is responsible. The way we talk (or not talk) to our relatives and neighbors has profound effects on the society you'll live in

amanaplanacanal 2y ago

Violence is always the solution. We just usually deputize the police and courts and prisons to do it for us.

ithkuil 2y ago
Even that violence is better when minimized right? You don't want police to apply excessive force. You won't want innocent bystanders to be shot by the police. You don't want the police to hurt people just because they think they may be guilty, etc. Those things do happen and when they happen people get upset and rightfully so.
hellojesus 2y ago
Violence is only necessary when people refuse to abide by the rules. If nobody was violent, cops wouldn't need to be. If people adhered to the system and went to jail whem convicted, there would be no problems. Violence begets violence. It is possible to craft a society where we leave it in our past.

autoexec 2y ago

> Because I don't want to live in a society where we think that violence is an acceptable solution to injustice. Personally, I'm with you. I absolutely don't want justice delivered via a mob or a vigilante without due process or the other protections that a fair justice system is supposed to provide us with. This is why it's so important that congress, police, prosecutors, judges, and even juries do their jobs. If the people have no legal, accessible, and effective means to get justice they might resort to illegal means to get it. The longer people are denied justice, the more likely it is they'll take it into their own hands.

ithkuil 2y ago
There are peaceful means to affect policy. But not only you have to vote for the right people, you also have to let candidates know what they have to promise in order to gain the votes. This election cycle nobody quite focused on healthcare; more abstract culture wars were in focus instead. You can't blame that on congress and on judges etc. The whole society is responsible. The way we talk (or not talk) to our relatives and neighbors has profound effects on the society you'll live in