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My takeaway is that an engineering degree doesn't have anything to do with a guy that, from that message, looks to me as an arrogant narcissist (by how smart he

My takeaway is that an engineering degree doesn't have anything to do with a guy that, from that message, looks to me as an arrogant narcissist (by how smart he tries to be) who likely doesn't have trained too well his acceptance for frustration and who seems to give in his impulses disregarding anything else. And your takeaway is, for me, infantile, naive and dangerous. This guys is not a victim of a system, this guy is a killer, whether we like that CEO or not.

aprilthird2021 2y ago
Very contrarian take I think. Most people see that the CEO isn't just unliked, he's actively responsible for the deaths of many. So, for many, his death is justified. As the legal system would never find him guilty for something all knew he was guilty of.
- wordpad25 2y ago
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- oneeyedpigeon 2y ago
  > So, for many, his death is justified. For the majority? Come on, if you guys don't like private healthcare (and why would you?) then there's a democratic process you can follow to change it. Encouraging executions on the streets might feel good, but it's not going to achieve anything, even if you think it's justified.
  - krainboltgreene 2y ago
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    - oneeyedpigeon 2y ago
      No, of course not. Have you honestly given up on democracy over there? If your country weren't so damn big, I would just pity such a descent, but as it is, it's terrifying to the rest of the world.
      - meiraleal 2y ago
        Are you seriously asking people that lost family members because of the greed of C-level individuals to not lose hope on allegedly democratic processes that can't solve their issues?
        oneeyedpigeon 2y ago
        No, I'm asking them not to murder people.
        meiraleal 2y ago
        You are asking them to not kill CEOs
      - breadwinner 2y ago
        > Have you honestly given up on democracy over there? Pretty much. Look up "citizens united". It turned USA into an oligarchy. Billionaires are allowed to buy elections, and politicians are beholden to the billionaires.
      - krainboltgreene 2y ago
        Yes, absolutely. My entire life I've watched this play out. Not once were we ever close to free healthcare for all citizens. For every human that demands this there are thousands of dollars of lobbying at the ready and lawmakers don't even cost that much. You can apparently buy off a house rep for as little as $20k.
    - ladyanita22 2y ago
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    - Clubber 2y ago
      They're both corporate shills, they get away with it because they pit the population against each other. If you forcefully take yourself out of either camp it becomes more obvious. You've probably been programmed by one or the other camp for most of your life through family, news, friends, etc. It's the reality of modern campaigning. People don't give candidates millions of dollars because they like the cut of their suit. They expect reciprocity.
      - 0dayz 2y ago
        And there it is. Just because corporate media is supported by big business doesn't translate to the actual politicians being pro-corporations. Especially when ironically enough big donors towards democrats are almost all ultra-progressive socialist types.
        Clubber 2y ago
        Politicians are supported by big business. Any altruism from those businesses is a facade.
        0dayz 2y ago
        This doesn't make any sense, people are the ones who decide how will get elected and if they cross path with big donors then this won't magically make said people want to vote for the big donor candidates.
        Clubber 2y ago
        They're all big donor candidates. That's how the system works unfortunately. Bernie was the exception and the DNC actively worked against his campaign in 2016 and 2020. The DNC also uses "superdelegates," in their primaries which allows them to put their thumb on the scale incase the people want to elect someone the party doesn't want. https://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/23/us/politics/dnc-emails-sanders-clinton.html https://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/23/us/politics/dnc-emails-sa... https://www.cnn.com/2017/11/04/politics/bernie-sanders-2016-election-donna-brazile/index.html https://www.cnn.com/2017/11/04/politics/bernie-sanders-2016-... Superdelegates: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Superdelegate https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Superdelegate "I don't care who does the electing, so long as I get to do the nominating." - Boss Tweed https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_M._Tweed https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_M._Tweed
  - meiraleal 2y ago
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  - aprilthird2021 2y ago
    I don't think people should have to accept dying with medical care they already paid for unavailable to them, and I don't think they should have to accept it even if the majority of people vote for that. There's a lot of things that can be justified for the good of society (when in Rome and all that), but I just firmly think this isn't one of them.

aprilthird2021 2y ago

Very contrarian take I think. Most people see that the CEO isn't just unliked, he's actively responsible for the deaths of many. So, for many, his death is justified. As the legal system would never find him guilty for something all knew he was guilty of.

wordpad25 2y ago
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oneeyedpigeon 2y ago
> So, for many, his death is justified. For the majority? Come on, if you guys don't like private healthcare (and why would you?) then there's a democratic process you can follow to change it. Encouraging executions on the streets might feel good, but it's not going to achieve anything, even if you think it's justified.
- krainboltgreene 2y ago
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  - oneeyedpigeon 2y ago
    No, of course not. Have you honestly given up on democracy over there? If your country weren't so damn big, I would just pity such a descent, but as it is, it's terrifying to the rest of the world.
    - meiraleal 2y ago
      Are you seriously asking people that lost family members because of the greed of C-level individuals to not lose hope on allegedly democratic processes that can't solve their issues?
      - oneeyedpigeon 2y ago
        No, I'm asking them not to murder people.
        meiraleal 2y ago
        You are asking them to not kill CEOs
    - breadwinner 2y ago
      > Have you honestly given up on democracy over there? Pretty much. Look up "citizens united". It turned USA into an oligarchy. Billionaires are allowed to buy elections, and politicians are beholden to the billionaires.
    - krainboltgreene 2y ago
      Yes, absolutely. My entire life I've watched this play out. Not once were we ever close to free healthcare for all citizens. For every human that demands this there are thousands of dollars of lobbying at the ready and lawmakers don't even cost that much. You can apparently buy off a house rep for as little as $20k.
  - ladyanita22 2y ago
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- 0dayz 2y ago
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  - Clubber 2y ago
    They're both corporate shills, they get away with it because they pit the population against each other. If you forcefully take yourself out of either camp it becomes more obvious. You've probably been programmed by one or the other camp for most of your life through family, news, friends, etc. It's the reality of modern campaigning. People don't give candidates millions of dollars because they like the cut of their suit. They expect reciprocity.
    - 0dayz 2y ago
      And there it is. Just because corporate media is supported by big business doesn't translate to the actual politicians being pro-corporations. Especially when ironically enough big donors towards democrats are almost all ultra-progressive socialist types.
      - Clubber 2y ago
        Politicians are supported by big business. Any altruism from those businesses is a facade.
        0dayz 2y ago
        This doesn't make any sense, people are the ones who decide how will get elected and if they cross path with big donors then this won't magically make said people want to vote for the big donor candidates.
        Clubber 2y ago
        They're all big donor candidates. That's how the system works unfortunately. Bernie was the exception and the DNC actively worked against his campaign in 2016 and 2020. The DNC also uses "superdelegates," in their primaries which allows them to put their thumb on the scale incase the people want to elect someone the party doesn't want. https://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/23/us/politics/dnc-emails-sanders-clinton.html https://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/23/us/politics/dnc-emails-sa... https://www.cnn.com/2017/11/04/politics/bernie-sanders-2016-election-donna-brazile/index.html https://www.cnn.com/2017/11/04/politics/bernie-sanders-2016-... Superdelegates: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Superdelegate https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Superdelegate "I don't care who does the electing, so long as I get to do the nominating." - Boss Tweed https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_M._Tweed https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_M._Tweed
- meiraleal 2y ago
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- aprilthird2021 2y ago
  I don't think people should have to accept dying with medical care they already paid for unavailable to them, and I don't think they should have to accept it even if the majority of people vote for that. There's a lot of things that can be justified for the good of society (when in Rome and all that), but I just firmly think this isn't one of them.