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I don't think he was banking on that, but I thought it interesting that posts about jury nullification were all over the front page on Reddit today, e.g. https:

I don't think he was banking on that, but I thought it interesting that posts about jury nullification were all over the front page on Reddit today, e.g. https://old.reddit.com/r/todayilearned/comments/1haimhk/til_that_a_jury_does_not_have_to_convict_a_guilty/ https://old.reddit.com/r/todayilearned/comments/1haimhk/til_... and https://old.reddit.com/r/WhitePeopleTwitter/comments/1haejf4/new_yorkers_need_to_look_up_jury_nullification/ https://old.reddit.com/r/WhitePeopleTwitter/comments/1haejf4...

bryanrasmussen 2y ago
maybe the prosecutor will refuse anyone who knows what jury nullification is
- throwaway48476 2y ago
  Usually it's phrased differently but it's on the form.
- JumpCrisscross 2y ago
  > maybe the prosecutor will refuse anyone who knows what jury nullification is It’s typically asked about. If you know about it and lie, that’s perjury.
  - hn_throwaway_99 2y ago
    It's sometimes asked about whether you'd follow the evidence - people aren't excluded (at least by the judge) for just knowing what the concept is. As for "lying" here, it's an interesting metaphysical question. Because you're not lying (or telling the truth) about some observable event, it's simply your own state of mind. If somebody asks "Why did you vote not guilty", you simply say "I didn't believe the evidence was convincing". There is literally no way for anyone else to say otherwise.
    - JumpCrisscross 2y ago
      > If somebody asks "Why did you vote not guilty", you simply say "I didn't believe the evidence was convincing". There is literally no way for anyone else to say otherwise Nullification needs to be unanimous. You'd get in trouble when pitching nullification to your fellow jurors. (Or at the very least, have a mistrial declared.) > people aren't excluded (at least by the judge) for just knowing what the concept is If you want a surefire way to get off a jury, mention nullification in voir dire. (Hell, just ask innocently about it.)
      - hn_throwaway_99 2y ago
        > Nullification needs to be unanimous. Nullification absolutely does not need to be unanimous, and it rarely is. All it takes is one juror force a mistrial (and another if it is retried, etc.) Sure, the prosecutor would likely retry, but again, it just takes one juror out of twelve to cause a mistrial, and the vast majority of prosecutors don't prosecute indefinitely. > If you want a surefire way to get off a jury, mention nullification in voir dire. No shit, so don't mention it.
        JumpCrisscross 2y ago
        > it just takes one juror out of twelve to cause a mistrial ...this isn't nullification. A major point of nullification is a not-guilty verdict by a jury is final. No retrial. No appeal. > the vast majority of prosecutors don't prosecute indefinitely You think this case wouldn't be re-tried?
        bryanrasmussen 2y ago
        of course the case would be retried, but if after the first mistrial there is a widespread partying in the streets, and then the second mistrial the same, and then the third trial starts there is rioting, the way the system currently works they might decide not to try a fourth trial. Of course I don't know if the U.S is there yet.
- Hamuko 2y ago
  One weird trick to avoid jury duty for the rest of your life?
  - exe34 2y ago
    that and share the statistics on eye witness testimony reliability.
    - _heimdall 2y ago
      And if that doesn't come up, mention that your favorite movie is My Cousin Vinny.

bryanrasmussen 2y ago

maybe the prosecutor will refuse anyone who knows what jury nullification is

throwaway48476 2y ago
Usually it's phrased differently but it's on the form.
JumpCrisscross 2y ago
> maybe the prosecutor will refuse anyone who knows what jury nullification is It’s typically asked about. If you know about it and lie, that’s perjury.
- hn_throwaway_99 2y ago
  It's sometimes asked about whether you'd follow the evidence - people aren't excluded (at least by the judge) for just knowing what the concept is. As for "lying" here, it's an interesting metaphysical question. Because you're not lying (or telling the truth) about some observable event, it's simply your own state of mind. If somebody asks "Why did you vote not guilty", you simply say "I didn't believe the evidence was convincing". There is literally no way for anyone else to say otherwise.
  - JumpCrisscross 2y ago
    > If somebody asks "Why did you vote not guilty", you simply say "I didn't believe the evidence was convincing". There is literally no way for anyone else to say otherwise Nullification needs to be unanimous. You'd get in trouble when pitching nullification to your fellow jurors. (Or at the very least, have a mistrial declared.) > people aren't excluded (at least by the judge) for just knowing what the concept is If you want a surefire way to get off a jury, mention nullification in voir dire. (Hell, just ask innocently about it.)
    - hn_throwaway_99 2y ago
      > Nullification needs to be unanimous. Nullification absolutely does not need to be unanimous, and it rarely is. All it takes is one juror force a mistrial (and another if it is retried, etc.) Sure, the prosecutor would likely retry, but again, it just takes one juror out of twelve to cause a mistrial, and the vast majority of prosecutors don't prosecute indefinitely. > If you want a surefire way to get off a jury, mention nullification in voir dire. No shit, so don't mention it.
      - JumpCrisscross 2y ago
        > it just takes one juror out of twelve to cause a mistrial ...this isn't nullification. A major point of nullification is a not-guilty verdict by a jury is final. No retrial. No appeal. > the vast majority of prosecutors don't prosecute indefinitely You think this case wouldn't be re-tried?
        bryanrasmussen 2y ago
        of course the case would be retried, but if after the first mistrial there is a widespread partying in the streets, and then the second mistrial the same, and then the third trial starts there is rioting, the way the system currently works they might decide not to try a fourth trial. Of course I don't know if the U.S is there yet.
Hamuko 2y ago
One weird trick to avoid jury duty for the rest of your life?
- exe34 2y ago
  that and share the statistics on eye witness testimony reliability.
  - _heimdall 2y ago
    And if that doesn't come up, mention that your favorite movie is My Cousin Vinny.