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Also happening in Japan. Quite a number of big-name vendors like DMM, DLsite, and others are getting heavy pressure from Visa and Mastercard to censor certain m

Also happening in Japan. Quite a number of big-name vendors like DMM, DLsite, and others are getting heavy pressure from Visa and Mastercard to censor certain merchandise for no justifiable reason (as in no legal basis) and in some cases have been blacklisted outright. The Japanese response, and this is after placating the first round of censor demands, has been to reverse-blacklist Visa and Mastercard because Japan realized that giving an inch only means they will then demand a mile, then a league, and so on.

throwaway2037 2y ago
Classic HN bullshit: > censor certain merchandise Zero evidence provided. Zero examples provided.
- Dalewyn 2y ago
  https://x.com/fantia_jp/status/1792811477256343764 https://x.com/fantia_jp/status/1792811477256343764 The following links are all NSFW because they are from Sankaku Complex, you have been warned: https://news.sankakucomplex.com/2024/11/10/japanese-bookstore-chain-melonbooks-next-to-drop-visa-mastercard-support/ https://news.sankakucomplex.com/2024/11/10/japanese-bookstor... https://news.sankakucomplex.com/2024/08/19/japanese-politicians-question-visa-regarding-financial-censorship/ https://news.sankakucomplex.com/2024/08/19/japanese-politici... https://news.sankakucomplex.com/2024/08/03/tora-no-ana-allegedly-bending-the-knee-to-western-credit-card-companies/ https://news.sankakucomplex.com/2024/08/03/tora-no-ana-alleg... https://news.sankakucomplex.com/2024/08/11/tora-no-ana-cuts-visa-mastercard-right-before-comiket/ https://news.sankakucomplex.com/2024/08/11/tora-no-ana-cuts-... https://news.sankakucomplex.com/2024/05/11/japanese-video-site-niconico-suspends-visa-card-payments/ https://news.sankakucomplex.com/2024/05/11/japanese-video-si... https://news.sankakucomplex.com/2023/11/14/japanese-netizens-waking-up-to-perils-of-foreign-credit-card-reliance/ https://news.sankakucomplex.com/2023/11/14/japanese-netizens... You may now crawl back to your throwaway den from whence you came.
  - CyberDildonics 2y ago
    You may now crawl back to your throwaway den from whence you came. Their account is actually older than yours.
    - Dalewyn 2y ago
      Be that as it may, he chose to call himself "throwaway<#>" instead of something more distinctive.
      - CyberDildonics 2y ago
        Why would that matter?
        Dalewyn 2y ago
        It's a throwaway account intended to be detached and hopefully untracable to whoever the owner/main account is. What I'm wondering is what point you're trying to make here; account age has no bearing on whether it's a throwaway or not, though the longer a throwaway is used the more it accumulates an identity of its own.
        CyberDildonics 2y ago
        It's four years old, how can you say that it's disposable when your name is younger? Doesn't that make your account a throw away too?
        Dalewyn 2y ago
        Yeah, you really need to elaborate yourself. You can easily find me on Mysterious Twitter X, Reddit, and many other places looking up my username (might not necessarily be an exact match). Account age has nothing to do with this, many people have alternative accounts and this guy literally named his account "throwaway2037". I really am not sure what you're trying to argue here.
diptera911 2y ago
I feel like you are omitting the content that visa and mastercard find particularly objectionable that is commonplace in japan but not elsewhere.
- xethos 2y ago
  This reads like an American, once again, deciding to enforce American cultural norms on other nations I'm not defending or condemning any of the artwork in question, just pointing out that American corporations have been forcing through their own cultural norms for decades, even in countries where that may not always be welcome In turn, this makes American corporations the arbiters of what is de facto legal, despite not being the ones elected to write the laws
- Dalewyn 2y ago
  Your feelings as a non-Japanese have absolutely no bearing on what flies in Japan. Whether the content concerned is tentacle hentai, or goth lolis, or genderbent King Arthur and Leonardo Da Vinci, or whatever else, that stuff is legal under Japanese law and Visa/MC are violating Japanese rights ordering Japanese creators and merchants to censor them. Visa/MC are quite literally engaging in foreign interference and subversion of democracy and Japan's very culture.
  - epolanski 2y ago
    That's overblown. In any case, you can't force a private entity to do business with you.
    - efitz 2y ago
      Sure you can. Power companies etc.
  - habinero 2y ago
    That's a, uh, rather overheated statement and ironically, a very Western point of view. Japan is one of the richest nations in the world, they can (and do) run their own payments systems. Also, it's risible to call that stuff Japan's "very culture". It's not. Otaku culture is fringe there, too. Japan is not anime. Also, there are plenty of legal things that are (rightly) publicly shamed and ostracized. For example, I don't want white supremacists to go to jail for what they say, but I want their lives to be as annoying and lonely as possible.

throwaway2037 2y ago

Classic HN bullshit: > censor certain merchandise Zero evidence provided. Zero examples provided.

Dalewyn 2y ago
https://x.com/fantia_jp/status/1792811477256343764 https://x.com/fantia_jp/status/1792811477256343764 The following links are all NSFW because they are from Sankaku Complex, you have been warned: https://news.sankakucomplex.com/2024/11/10/japanese-bookstore-chain-melonbooks-next-to-drop-visa-mastercard-support/ https://news.sankakucomplex.com/2024/11/10/japanese-bookstor... https://news.sankakucomplex.com/2024/08/19/japanese-politicians-question-visa-regarding-financial-censorship/ https://news.sankakucomplex.com/2024/08/19/japanese-politici... https://news.sankakucomplex.com/2024/08/03/tora-no-ana-allegedly-bending-the-knee-to-western-credit-card-companies/ https://news.sankakucomplex.com/2024/08/03/tora-no-ana-alleg... https://news.sankakucomplex.com/2024/08/11/tora-no-ana-cuts-visa-mastercard-right-before-comiket/ https://news.sankakucomplex.com/2024/08/11/tora-no-ana-cuts-... https://news.sankakucomplex.com/2024/05/11/japanese-video-site-niconico-suspends-visa-card-payments/ https://news.sankakucomplex.com/2024/05/11/japanese-video-si... https://news.sankakucomplex.com/2023/11/14/japanese-netizens-waking-up-to-perils-of-foreign-credit-card-reliance/ https://news.sankakucomplex.com/2023/11/14/japanese-netizens... You may now crawl back to your throwaway den from whence you came.
- CyberDildonics 2y ago
  You may now crawl back to your throwaway den from whence you came. Their account is actually older than yours.
  - Dalewyn 2y ago
    Be that as it may, he chose to call himself "throwaway<#>" instead of something more distinctive.
    - CyberDildonics 2y ago
      Why would that matter?
      - Dalewyn 2y ago
        It's a throwaway account intended to be detached and hopefully untracable to whoever the owner/main account is. What I'm wondering is what point you're trying to make here; account age has no bearing on whether it's a throwaway or not, though the longer a throwaway is used the more it accumulates an identity of its own.
        CyberDildonics 2y ago
        It's four years old, how can you say that it's disposable when your name is younger? Doesn't that make your account a throw away too?
        Dalewyn 2y ago
        Yeah, you really need to elaborate yourself. You can easily find me on Mysterious Twitter X, Reddit, and many other places looking up my username (might not necessarily be an exact match). Account age has nothing to do with this, many people have alternative accounts and this guy literally named his account "throwaway2037". I really am not sure what you're trying to argue here.

diptera911 2y ago

I feel like you are omitting the content that visa and mastercard find particularly objectionable that is commonplace in japan but not elsewhere.

xethos 2y ago
This reads like an American, once again, deciding to enforce American cultural norms on other nations I'm not defending or condemning any of the artwork in question, just pointing out that American corporations have been forcing through their own cultural norms for decades, even in countries where that may not always be welcome In turn, this makes American corporations the arbiters of what is de facto legal, despite not being the ones elected to write the laws
Dalewyn 2y ago
Your feelings as a non-Japanese have absolutely no bearing on what flies in Japan. Whether the content concerned is tentacle hentai, or goth lolis, or genderbent King Arthur and Leonardo Da Vinci, or whatever else, that stuff is legal under Japanese law and Visa/MC are violating Japanese rights ordering Japanese creators and merchants to censor them. Visa/MC are quite literally engaging in foreign interference and subversion of democracy and Japan's very culture.
- epolanski 2y ago
  That's overblown. In any case, you can't force a private entity to do business with you.
  - efitz 2y ago
    Sure you can. Power companies etc.
- habinero 2y ago
  That's a, uh, rather overheated statement and ironically, a very Western point of view. Japan is one of the richest nations in the world, they can (and do) run their own payments systems. Also, it's risible to call that stuff Japan's "very culture". It's not. Otaku culture is fringe there, too. Japan is not anime. Also, there are plenty of legal things that are (rightly) publicly shamed and ostracized. For example, I don't want white supremacists to go to jail for what they say, but I want their lives to be as annoying and lonely as possible.