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What’s special about server-based services vs other services? Should they also be obligated to publish their IP if they cease operations?

by cle 2y ago

dartos 2y ago
The larger issue is that they sold a product which was designed for children to form emotional attachments to, but the product was never designed to be long lasting. If they were ethical, they would’ve ensured that moxie would work at least somewhat offline. Nintendo has been doing this for years. Their games are always almost entirely playable offline (outside of timed events.) That’s why you can “time travel” in animal crossing and Pokémon. It doesn’t even phone home to check the time even if it affects gameplay.
- thot_experiment 2y ago
  What are you on about, last I checked Nintendo makes a huge number of games unavailable and is extremely litigious against the emulation community. IIRC you can't even transfer savefiles to a different device in some cases.
  - Larrikin 2y ago
    Both can be true that Nintendo does well at sunsetting services to ensure they work as well as they can for as long as possible while still being complete jerks about making sure you can only play that game in that specific way and if you want to play it any other they try to force you to buy the same game over and over.
  - dartos 2y ago
    If you have a Nintendo game on a Nintendo console, that game will continue to work on that console as long as it still physically functions. If Nintendo goes bankrupt, my game boy, 3DS, GameCube, Nintendo 64, and switch will all still work pretty much as if nothing has changed. Unlike moxie or that Spotify car thing. You’re describing a different issue entirely around games preservation outside of official Nintendo channels (emulators and roms)
  - dartos 2y ago
    Nintendo could do away with emulation all together by requiring games to always ping Nintendo servers in startup, or they won’t run. They could include any number of DRM strategies to prevent emulation at the cost of longevity of their software and hardware. They don’t, though. They opt for litigation over really strong DRM.
jedberg 2y ago
Server based services are different because they are required for me to keep using the thing I purchased. If my hardware requires an internet service to keep functioning, then they should have to make that service available for self hosting or for someone else to host it if they go out of business. There should never be a case where something physical that I bought stops working because of an internet based service.
- deleted 2y ago
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What’s special about server-based services vs other services? Should they also be obligated to publish their IP if they cease operations?

by cle 2y ago

What’s special about server-based services vs other services? Should they also be obligated to publish their IP if they cease operations?

dartos 2y ago

The larger issue is that they sold a product which was designed for children to form emotional attachments to, but the product was never designed to be long lasting. If they were ethical, they would’ve ensured that moxie would work at least somewhat offline. Nintendo has been doing this for years. Their games are always almost entirely playable offline (outside of timed events.) That’s why you can “time travel” in animal crossing and Pokémon. It doesn’t even phone home to check the time even if it affects gameplay.

thot_experiment 2y ago
What are you on about, last I checked Nintendo makes a huge number of games unavailable and is extremely litigious against the emulation community. IIRC you can't even transfer savefiles to a different device in some cases.
- Larrikin 2y ago
  Both can be true that Nintendo does well at sunsetting services to ensure they work as well as they can for as long as possible while still being complete jerks about making sure you can only play that game in that specific way and if you want to play it any other they try to force you to buy the same game over and over.
- dartos 2y ago
  If you have a Nintendo game on a Nintendo console, that game will continue to work on that console as long as it still physically functions. If Nintendo goes bankrupt, my game boy, 3DS, GameCube, Nintendo 64, and switch will all still work pretty much as if nothing has changed. Unlike moxie or that Spotify car thing. You’re describing a different issue entirely around games preservation outside of official Nintendo channels (emulators and roms)
- dartos 2y ago
  Nintendo could do away with emulation all together by requiring games to always ping Nintendo servers in startup, or they won’t run. They could include any number of DRM strategies to prevent emulation at the cost of longevity of their software and hardware. They don’t, though. They opt for litigation over really strong DRM.

jedberg 2y ago

Server based services are different because they are required for me to keep using the thing I purchased. If my hardware requires an internet service to keep functioning, then they should have to make that service available for self hosting or for someone else to host it if they go out of business. There should never be a case where something physical that I bought stops working because of an internet based service.

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