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My take is that this is on a separate Ruby Ridge/anarchist axis. Hostile toward authority, they believe government (i.e. both political parties) and power struc

by montag 2y ago

My take is that this is on a separate Ruby Ridge/anarchist axis. Hostile toward authority, they believe government (i.e. both political parties) and power structures are inherently corrupt. These beliefs have little to do with Democrat or Republican politics, but happen to align more with the right on a few issues (like gun control).

jmyeet 2y ago
You'll note I used terms Like "leftists" and not "Democrats" (as you do) because those are completely different things and my word choice was intentional. There is no significant leftist movement or momentum in the United States. None. Your choice is between far right (Republican) and center right (Democrat). Both are (neo)liberals. Both are capitalists. Both are united when it comes to US foreign policy. As of the last election, both parties are pro-death penalty (it opposition to the death penalty dropped from the Democratic Party Platform in the 2024 election). Both support the current private health insurance system that most people are angry about.
- shiroiushi 2y ago
  >Both support the current private health insurance system that most people are angry about. Notably, Tim Walz (VP candidate) praised UHC in a press comment after the shooting: "a terrible loss for the business and health care community", "Minnesota is sending our prayers to Brian's family and the UnitedHealthcare team". Amy Klobuchar said: "My thoughts are with Brian Thompson's family and loved ones and all those working at United Healthcare in Minnesota". So Democratic Party leaders were very much big supporters of these health insurance companies.
  - dpkirchner 2y ago
    That doesn't sound like praise to me, that is just plain human sympathy.
    - shiroiushi 2y ago
      "...terrible loss for ... the healthcare community" sounds like they're claiming that UHC actually provides healthcare, or is somehow integral to the provision of healthcare, and certainly seems to paint the company as a respectable one. All these responses from these Dem leaders clearly ignore how much these companies have harmed Americans, which you can see in any news articles' comments sections about this shooting.
      - senordevnyc 2y ago
        Most Americans are happy with their health insurance: https://www.kff.org/private-insurance/poll-finding/kff-survey-of-consumer-experiences-with-health-insurance/ https://www.kff.org/private-insurance/poll-finding/kff-surve...
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by montag 2y ago

jmyeet 2y ago

You'll note I used terms Like "leftists" and not "Democrats" (as you do) because those are completely different things and my word choice was intentional. There is no significant leftist movement or momentum in the United States. None. Your choice is between far right (Republican) and center right (Democrat). Both are (neo)liberals. Both are capitalists. Both are united when it comes to US foreign policy. As of the last election, both parties are pro-death penalty (it opposition to the death penalty dropped from the Democratic Party Platform in the 2024 election). Both support the current private health insurance system that most people are angry about.

shiroiushi 2y ago
>Both support the current private health insurance system that most people are angry about. Notably, Tim Walz (VP candidate) praised UHC in a press comment after the shooting: "a terrible loss for the business and health care community", "Minnesota is sending our prayers to Brian's family and the UnitedHealthcare team". Amy Klobuchar said: "My thoughts are with Brian Thompson's family and loved ones and all those working at United Healthcare in Minnesota". So Democratic Party leaders were very much big supporters of these health insurance companies.
- dpkirchner 2y ago
  That doesn't sound like praise to me, that is just plain human sympathy.
  - shiroiushi 2y ago
    "...terrible loss for ... the healthcare community" sounds like they're claiming that UHC actually provides healthcare, or is somehow integral to the provision of healthcare, and certainly seems to paint the company as a respectable one. All these responses from these Dem leaders clearly ignore how much these companies have harmed Americans, which you can see in any news articles' comments sections about this shooting.
    - senordevnyc 2y ago
      Most Americans are happy with their health insurance: https://www.kff.org/private-insurance/poll-finding/kff-survey-of-consumer-experiences-with-health-insurance/ https://www.kff.org/private-insurance/poll-finding/kff-surve...
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