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>Police revealed that finding the 26-year-old was a complete surprise, and that they did not have his name on a list of suspects prior to today So when they sa

>Police revealed that finding the 26-year-old was a complete surprise, and that they did not have his name on a list of suspects prior to today So when they said they knew who he was yesterday it was a lie.

IncreasePosts 2y ago
...and? Do you think police should be bound to be truthful at all times, even if hinders their investigation?
BryantD 2y ago
Eric Adams doesn't have a strong reality filter, and it's usually good to cross-check things he says, especially if he's the only person saying them. I don't think he consciously makes things up, he just tends to gravitate towards saying things that sound good in the moment. Or, if we're being really charitable, they were chasing the wrong guy.
- byteknight 2y ago
  All you did was make the phrase "makes things up" more palatable. It still means the same thing. He lies.
  - BryantD 2y ago
    I like understanding why people are making things up. Edit: sorry, I was a bit snarky there and I shouldn't have been. I was in fact splitting a hair there; it's a useful one for me but it's far from obligatory.
    - lazyeye 2y ago
      What lies has Eric Adams said?
      - ceejayoz 2y ago
        He's currently indicted for criminal fraud. https://www.nytimes.com/live/2024/09/25/nyregion/eric-adams-indicted-corruption https://www.nytimes.com/live/2024/09/25/nyregion/eric-adams-...
      - astrange 2y ago
        He lies constantly. Like, he lives in New Jersey and pretends to live in NYC. He pretends to be a vegan. Also continually uses strange phrases in speeches that he made up, like "all your haters will be waiters when you sit down at the table of success", or saying "New York City is the Dublin/Istanbul/Port au Prince of America" whenever he's talking to an a cultural group.
      - quickthrowman 2y ago
        He’s a former cop and a current politician, I’d be surprised if anything he says publicly is true.
        kcplate 2y ago
        Not sure why you got downvoted, no one familiar with either profession can argue that it’s not a part of being a cop or a politician
      - gre 2y ago
        If Books Could Kill podcast got you covered https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/unlocked-eric-adams/id1651876897?i=1000670804433 https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/unlocked-eric-adams/id...
      - astura 2y ago
        He's a compulsive liar. To give you one specific - he lied about accidentally firing a gun at school and then he claimed that a book that is available for purchase "never got to print." https://apnews.com/article/eric-adams-book-gun-e2179cd82fc41add3fb27120c6809b10 https://apnews.com/article/eric-adams-book-gun-e2179cd82fc41...
  - sidewndr46 2y ago
    Let me remind you here that it is the job of the government and specifically the police to lie to you. So if he was lying, he was doing his job.
    - betenoire 2y ago
      I don't know why you are being downvoted. My father was a cop, went through the academy when I was 15. I distinctly remember him explaining to me about how they are taught to lie to get people to cross their stories up.
      - booleandilemma 2y ago
        Eric Adams, the brilliant detective.
      - s1artibartfast 2y ago
        I think the objection was to the centrality of lying and intent. My home contractors might lie to me, but that certainly is not what I hired them to do I'm assuming your father did more than just tell tall tales.
    - s1artibartfast 2y ago
      The job is not lying. If anything, lying is a situational means to an end. We can argue against that fact without resorting to hyperbole and twisting reality ourselves
  - jcgrillo 2y ago
    > He lies. He's a cop turned politician.. cows moo, crocodiles chomp, and these critters lie. It's their nature.
    - _heimdall 2y ago
      Cops protect and serve. I'm not sure who you're thinking of.
      - jcgrillo 2y ago
        They protect their own and serve themselves. But they have the state backing them up and we don't.
      - bdangubic 2y ago
        some don’t
      - xcrunner529 2y ago
        Lolol. Were thinking of the ones who break into your house and kill you thinking it was their’s, the ones that killed Breonna Taylor, chased a black man running etc.
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        _heimdall 2y ago
        Oh I know, I meant this to be sarcastic and didn't quite land that plane.
      - _heimdall 2y ago
        Whoosh Too late to edit, but it seems the implied /s here should have been explicit.
  - nixosbestos 2y ago
    Jesus Christ thank you. I understand the political climate means the word "lie" is somehow a bad word but thank you for saying it. It's still a fucking lie. It might even be worse, because the bullshitters like that are often so oblivious that it makes it harder to tell they're lying. And yet, it has the same damn effects in every measurable way. It's a lie. Call it a non malicious lie, sure, whatever. But it's still a lie. I swear. The bar is buried under the fucking ground. In the US, anyway.
tacticalturtle 2y ago
It was specifically Eric Adams who sort of implied that - but it was a bit of a cagey response, and NYPD later stated that day they had no ID: https://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/5028239-mayor-adams-says-net-is-tightening-on-unitedhealthcare-ceo-shooting-suspect/amp/ https://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/5028239-mayor-adams-sa... Given Adam’s past year, there was never a reason to take what he says at face value.
- gowld 2y ago
  I don't think that's a fair characterization. > When asked by a reporter if police had the suspect’s name, Adams said, “We don’t want to release that now. If you do, you’re basically giving a tip to the person we are fine with seeking, and we do not want to give him an upper hand at all. Let him continue to believe he can hide behind a mask.” Grammatical flub aside ("the person we are fine with seeking"), he is just saying that he doesn't want to say anything about the info being requested. The police release information that they have decided is in their interest to release. Everything else is classified confidential by default.
  - d0mine 2y ago
    "Let him continue to believe he can hide behind a mask" implies that he can't hide and they know his name. A lie in other words.
    - MisterTea 2y ago
      > implies that he can't hide I agree with this. > and they know his name. That is not implied anywhere at all.
      - apstls 2y ago
        It hinges on what the word “that” in “release that” is referring to. If it’s referring to releasing his name, then he’s implying not releasing his name is a choice which implies they have the option to release it, so they must know it. If it’s referring to releasing whether or not they know his name, then it’s not implying anything. If this was said by someone with a history of well-spoken and thoughtful public statements, then it’d most likely be the latter interpretation. Given it’s Eric Adams, either is plausible. In fact, the bullshit-ness of the former may make it even more probable here.
gamblor956 2y ago
That's a common tactic to try and get a suspect to turn themselves in. Sometimes it works. (Most suspects turn themselves in for crimes they've committed. It's actually the exception when police need to go out to arrest a criminal suspect.)
- gowld 2y ago
  That's when the suspect's identity is known, and the suspect would rather face a bail hearing then try to keep hiding.
  - gamblor956 2y ago
    Sure, for nonviolent criminal offenses. It helps that accepting responsibility for one's actions (as demonstrated by turning oneself in) generally results in significantly reduced sentencing. For violent offenses, and especially for high-profile murder cases, they don't give the suspect the option of turning themselves in.
    - jcgrillo 2y ago
      > they don't give the suspect the option of turning themselves in That seems a lot like the responsibility of the suspect? Like, if you're planning on shooting a high profile target in midtown Manhattan isn't the exit something to think about? Based on what information we might actually have, the shooter had plenty of carelessly missed opportunities to not be caught. Poor planning, in retrospect, is a choice.
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asdefghyk 2y ago
RE "....when they said they knew who he was yesterday it was a lie....." Was an obvious lie ...was my first reaction. If they did know the name - it could have been used to retrieve numerous photos - and other evidence. That said the accused person left several of their online profiles online . even a facebook profile !!!
jcgrillo 2y ago
Yes, they do that. Lying is how they operate, especially when questioning or trying to mess with suspects. You can never trust anything a cop says.
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tinyhouse 2y ago
It's hard to believe that this is true. There seems to be enough people who knew him, from friends and family who were worried about him, to people who went to school or worked with him. Do you want to tell me that not even a single person identified him in the pictures and notified the police? Not to mention that his friends and family didn't know where he is, so it fit the narrative perfectly.
gexla 2y ago
They weren't lying, but it was the wrong thing to say. They had a list of suspects and they may have had high confidence that one of them was their guy. But they couldn't know that at least until they took someone into custody.

IncreasePosts 2y ago

...and? Do you think police should be bound to be truthful at all times, even if hinders their investigation?

BryantD 2y ago

Eric Adams doesn't have a strong reality filter, and it's usually good to cross-check things he says, especially if he's the only person saying them. I don't think he consciously makes things up, he just tends to gravitate towards saying things that sound good in the moment. Or, if we're being really charitable, they were chasing the wrong guy.

byteknight 2y ago
All you did was make the phrase "makes things up" more palatable. It still means the same thing. He lies.
- BryantD 2y ago
  I like understanding why people are making things up. Edit: sorry, I was a bit snarky there and I shouldn't have been. I was in fact splitting a hair there; it's a useful one for me but it's far from obligatory.
  - lazyeye 2y ago
    What lies has Eric Adams said?
    - ceejayoz 2y ago
      He's currently indicted for criminal fraud. https://www.nytimes.com/live/2024/09/25/nyregion/eric-adams-indicted-corruption https://www.nytimes.com/live/2024/09/25/nyregion/eric-adams-...
    - astrange 2y ago
      He lies constantly. Like, he lives in New Jersey and pretends to live in NYC. He pretends to be a vegan. Also continually uses strange phrases in speeches that he made up, like "all your haters will be waiters when you sit down at the table of success", or saying "New York City is the Dublin/Istanbul/Port au Prince of America" whenever he's talking to an a cultural group.
    - quickthrowman 2y ago
      He’s a former cop and a current politician, I’d be surprised if anything he says publicly is true.
      - kcplate 2y ago
        Not sure why you got downvoted, no one familiar with either profession can argue that it’s not a part of being a cop or a politician
    - gre 2y ago
      If Books Could Kill podcast got you covered https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/unlocked-eric-adams/id1651876897?i=1000670804433 https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/unlocked-eric-adams/id...
    - astura 2y ago
      He's a compulsive liar. To give you one specific - he lied about accidentally firing a gun at school and then he claimed that a book that is available for purchase "never got to print." https://apnews.com/article/eric-adams-book-gun-e2179cd82fc41add3fb27120c6809b10 https://apnews.com/article/eric-adams-book-gun-e2179cd82fc41...
- sidewndr46 2y ago
  Let me remind you here that it is the job of the government and specifically the police to lie to you. So if he was lying, he was doing his job.
  - betenoire 2y ago
    I don't know why you are being downvoted. My father was a cop, went through the academy when I was 15. I distinctly remember him explaining to me about how they are taught to lie to get people to cross their stories up.
    - booleandilemma 2y ago
      Eric Adams, the brilliant detective.
    - s1artibartfast 2y ago
      I think the objection was to the centrality of lying and intent. My home contractors might lie to me, but that certainly is not what I hired them to do I'm assuming your father did more than just tell tall tales.
  - s1artibartfast 2y ago
    The job is not lying. If anything, lying is a situational means to an end. We can argue against that fact without resorting to hyperbole and twisting reality ourselves
- jcgrillo 2y ago
  > He lies. He's a cop turned politician.. cows moo, crocodiles chomp, and these critters lie. It's their nature.
  - _heimdall 2y ago
    Cops protect and serve. I'm not sure who you're thinking of.
    - jcgrillo 2y ago
      They protect their own and serve themselves. But they have the state backing them up and we don't.
    - bdangubic 2y ago
      some don’t
    - xcrunner529 2y ago
      Lolol. Were thinking of the ones who break into your house and kill you thinking it was their’s, the ones that killed Breonna Taylor, chased a black man running etc.
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      - _heimdall 2y ago
        Oh I know, I meant this to be sarcastic and didn't quite land that plane.
    - _heimdall 2y ago
      Whoosh Too late to edit, but it seems the implied /s here should have been explicit.
- nixosbestos 2y ago
  Jesus Christ thank you. I understand the political climate means the word "lie" is somehow a bad word but thank you for saying it. It's still a fucking lie. It might even be worse, because the bullshitters like that are often so oblivious that it makes it harder to tell they're lying. And yet, it has the same damn effects in every measurable way. It's a lie. Call it a non malicious lie, sure, whatever. But it's still a lie. I swear. The bar is buried under the fucking ground. In the US, anyway.

tacticalturtle 2y ago

It was specifically Eric Adams who sort of implied that - but it was a bit of a cagey response, and NYPD later stated that day they had no ID: https://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/5028239-mayor-adams-says-net-is-tightening-on-unitedhealthcare-ceo-shooting-suspect/amp/ https://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/5028239-mayor-adams-sa... Given Adam’s past year, there was never a reason to take what he says at face value.

gowld 2y ago
I don't think that's a fair characterization. > When asked by a reporter if police had the suspect’s name, Adams said, “We don’t want to release that now. If you do, you’re basically giving a tip to the person we are fine with seeking, and we do not want to give him an upper hand at all. Let him continue to believe he can hide behind a mask.” Grammatical flub aside ("the person we are fine with seeking"), he is just saying that he doesn't want to say anything about the info being requested. The police release information that they have decided is in their interest to release. Everything else is classified confidential by default.
- d0mine 2y ago
  "Let him continue to believe he can hide behind a mask" implies that he can't hide and they know his name. A lie in other words.
  - MisterTea 2y ago
    > implies that he can't hide I agree with this. > and they know his name. That is not implied anywhere at all.
    - apstls 2y ago
      It hinges on what the word “that” in “release that” is referring to. If it’s referring to releasing his name, then he’s implying not releasing his name is a choice which implies they have the option to release it, so they must know it. If it’s referring to releasing whether or not they know his name, then it’s not implying anything. If this was said by someone with a history of well-spoken and thoughtful public statements, then it’d most likely be the latter interpretation. Given it’s Eric Adams, either is plausible. In fact, the bullshit-ness of the former may make it even more probable here.

gamblor956 2y ago

That's a common tactic to try and get a suspect to turn themselves in. Sometimes it works. (Most suspects turn themselves in for crimes they've committed. It's actually the exception when police need to go out to arrest a criminal suspect.)

gowld 2y ago
That's when the suspect's identity is known, and the suspect would rather face a bail hearing then try to keep hiding.
- gamblor956 2y ago
  Sure, for nonviolent criminal offenses. It helps that accepting responsibility for one's actions (as demonstrated by turning oneself in) generally results in significantly reduced sentencing. For violent offenses, and especially for high-profile murder cases, they don't give the suspect the option of turning themselves in.
  - jcgrillo 2y ago
    > they don't give the suspect the option of turning themselves in That seems a lot like the responsibility of the suspect? Like, if you're planning on shooting a high profile target in midtown Manhattan isn't the exit something to think about? Based on what information we might actually have, the shooter had plenty of carelessly missed opportunities to not be caught. Poor planning, in retrospect, is a choice.

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asdefghyk 2y ago

RE "....when they said they knew who he was yesterday it was a lie....." Was an obvious lie ...was my first reaction. If they did know the name - it could have been used to retrieve numerous photos - and other evidence. That said the accused person left several of their online profiles online . even a facebook profile !!!

jcgrillo 2y ago

Yes, they do that. Lying is how they operate, especially when questioning or trying to mess with suspects. You can never trust anything a cop says.

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tinyhouse 2y ago

It's hard to believe that this is true. There seems to be enough people who knew him, from friends and family who were worried about him, to people who went to school or worked with him. Do you want to tell me that not even a single person identified him in the pictures and notified the police? Not to mention that his friends and family didn't know where he is, so it fit the narrative perfectly.

gexla 2y ago

They weren't lying, but it was the wrong thing to say. They had a list of suspects and they may have had high confidence that one of them was their guy. But they couldn't know that at least until they took someone into custody.