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> but its incredibly costly and time consuming for sizeable platforms. If your restores are too time consuming to test regularly, they sure as shit aren't goi

> but its incredibly costly and time consuming for sizeable platforms. If your restores are too time consuming to test regularly, they sure as shit aren't going to be useful in a disaster.

usrnm 2y ago
Why is that? Hours or even days of downtime are still better than just losing all data. It's a simple cost-benefit analysis, and it's ok to pick different trade-offs depending on your use case
- rodgerd 2y ago
  I have spent most of my career in newspaper publishing and banking. A newspaper that doesn't publish for a few days might recover. A bank that drops off the Swift network for days isn't a bank any more.
  - cyberax 2y ago
    Russia and Iran would like to have a few words with you. Banks regularly close for multiple days for bank holidays. Unscheduled downtime is a somewhat different story, though. Luckily, the traditional SWIFT/banking infrastructure is so negligible these days, my phone can host a classic banking infrastructure for an entire small country.
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    - com 2y ago
      This is a nonsense response. A bank exists not as an isolated entitity, but as a node in a local, regional and global network of transactions. Your phone as a “classic banking infrastructure” (nonsense phrase) can’t do credit card acquiring or realtime transactions because it’s not connected to the payment rails, transaction switches and so on (like SWIFT but all of the other less global ones run by central banks and private entities). In developed societies, instant settlement for bank-bank transfers is the norm, and cash flow is dependent on that. Russia and Iran pay about 2-5% for above-board (non-sanctioned) cross border transactions due to their extra costs of not being in SWIFT and USD sanctions, and between 20-50% where physical middle-people are needed to move pallets of USD.
    - rodgerd 2y ago
      This is absolutely peak "confidently incorrect"; it's hilarious, but completely expected on this site.
prmoustache 2y ago
It depends on the accepted downtime.

> but its incredibly costly and time consuming for sizeable platforms. If your restores are too time consuming to test regularly, they sure as shit aren't going to be useful in a disaster.

usrnm 2y ago

Why is that? Hours or even days of downtime are still better than just losing all data. It's a simple cost-benefit analysis, and it's ok to pick different trade-offs depending on your use case

rodgerd 2y ago
I have spent most of my career in newspaper publishing and banking. A newspaper that doesn't publish for a few days might recover. A bank that drops off the Swift network for days isn't a bank any more.
- cyberax 2y ago
  Russia and Iran would like to have a few words with you. Banks regularly close for multiple days for bank holidays. Unscheduled downtime is a somewhat different story, though. Luckily, the traditional SWIFT/banking infrastructure is so negligible these days, my phone can host a classic banking infrastructure for an entire small country.
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  - com 2y ago
    This is a nonsense response. A bank exists not as an isolated entitity, but as a node in a local, regional and global network of transactions. Your phone as a “classic banking infrastructure” (nonsense phrase) can’t do credit card acquiring or realtime transactions because it’s not connected to the payment rails, transaction switches and so on (like SWIFT but all of the other less global ones run by central banks and private entities). In developed societies, instant settlement for bank-bank transfers is the norm, and cash flow is dependent on that. Russia and Iran pay about 2-5% for above-board (non-sanctioned) cross border transactions due to their extra costs of not being in SWIFT and USD sanctions, and between 20-50% where physical middle-people are needed to move pallets of USD.
  - rodgerd 2y ago
    This is absolutely peak "confidently incorrect"; it's hilarious, but completely expected on this site.

prmoustache 2y ago

It depends on the accepted downtime.