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There are so many resources around timbrel construction and manipulation, but never enough about the rhythmic domain. This book being another example. I've rea

There are so many resources around timbrel construction and manipulation, but never enough about the rhythmic domain. This book being another example. I've read Godfried Toussaint's book, and looking for more recommendations in this area. I've been tinkering with a cybernetic folk drumming project, and trying to create rhythms using oscillators, with beats triggered at zero-crossings, so I can build and manipulated patterns in real-time. (demo: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yVlgPoTpL94 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yVlgPoTpL94) Results have been interesting, but perhaps not "good" in Toussaint's sense. I'm hoping to find a model that works better. Advice and pointers appreciated.

qmmmur 2y ago
Sounds like you might be interested in Mark Fell?
- _spduchamp 2y ago
  Yup.
chaosprint 2y ago
McLean, Alex, Giovanni Fanfani, and Ellen Harlizius-Klück. "Cyclic patterns of movement across weaving, epiplokē and live coding." Dancecult: Journal of Electronic Dance Music Culture 10.1 (2018). McLean, Alex. "Algorithmic Pattern." NIME. 2020.
ofalkaed 2y ago
Creating Rhythms by Hollos and Hollos. I am not much of a fan of it but my expectations were high, the person who recommended it to me made it out to be exactly what I was looking for and it was not at all what I was looking for. It primarily focuses on things of Euclidean Rhythms ilk, simple to execute but can be quite effective. Despite not being what I was after I think I got my $10 worth.
- _spduchamp 2y ago
  I too bought this book and was somewhat disappointed. Some of the algorithms seems too contrived and specific. (All the code is here: https://abrazol.com/books/rhythm1/software.html https://abrazol.com/books/rhythm1/software.html) I guess my wish would be a companion to Geometry of Musical Rhythm with lots implementations of code to demonstrate concepts. Euclidean Rhythm implementations seem to be everywhere, but there is SO MUCH MORE to cover. Still, I'm kind of stuck on this idea that there may be a way to map the discrete mathematics of this rhythm stuff into a continuous mathematics for more natural and fluid rhythmic expression. It's just a theory and a few experiments so far.
tpm 2y ago
One thing that could be great for experiments is Eurorack modules. There are I feel about thousand modules for drum patterns - Euclidean (like https://modulargrid.net/e/vpme-de-euclidean-circles-v2- https://modulargrid.net/e/vpme-de-euclidean-circles-v2- ), but also plenty others, starting from Mutable Instrument Grids (https://modulargrid.net/e/mutable-instruments-grids https://modulargrid.net/e/mutable-instruments-grids). I think it's a much faster way to hands-on experiment than writing code. Also with Eurorack the only interface between modules is analog voltage which means clock, triggers, pulses, low frequency and audio frequency can be freely mixed (a common way to abuse this is to generate lower frequency audio using clock dividers, /2 from 800Hz audio gives you 400Hz square wave etc). Ah and most of that can be also explored without a physical rack using VCVRack.

qmmmur 2y ago

Sounds like you might be interested in Mark Fell?

_spduchamp 2y ago
Yup.

chaosprint 2y ago

McLean, Alex, Giovanni Fanfani, and Ellen Harlizius-Klück. "Cyclic patterns of movement across weaving, epiplokē and live coding." Dancecult: Journal of Electronic Dance Music Culture 10.1 (2018). McLean, Alex. "Algorithmic Pattern." NIME. 2020.

ofalkaed 2y ago

Creating Rhythms by Hollos and Hollos. I am not much of a fan of it but my expectations were high, the person who recommended it to me made it out to be exactly what I was looking for and it was not at all what I was looking for. It primarily focuses on things of Euclidean Rhythms ilk, simple to execute but can be quite effective. Despite not being what I was after I think I got my $10 worth.

_spduchamp 2y ago
I too bought this book and was somewhat disappointed. Some of the algorithms seems too contrived and specific. (All the code is here: https://abrazol.com/books/rhythm1/software.html https://abrazol.com/books/rhythm1/software.html) I guess my wish would be a companion to Geometry of Musical Rhythm with lots implementations of code to demonstrate concepts. Euclidean Rhythm implementations seem to be everywhere, but there is SO MUCH MORE to cover. Still, I'm kind of stuck on this idea that there may be a way to map the discrete mathematics of this rhythm stuff into a continuous mathematics for more natural and fluid rhythmic expression. It's just a theory and a few experiments so far.

tpm 2y ago

One thing that could be great for experiments is Eurorack modules. There are I feel about thousand modules for drum patterns - Euclidean (like https://modulargrid.net/e/vpme-de-euclidean-circles-v2- https://modulargrid.net/e/vpme-de-euclidean-circles-v2- ), but also plenty others, starting from Mutable Instrument Grids (https://modulargrid.net/e/mutable-instruments-grids https://modulargrid.net/e/mutable-instruments-grids). I think it's a much faster way to hands-on experiment than writing code. Also with Eurorack the only interface between modules is analog voltage which means clock, triggers, pulses, low frequency and audio frequency can be freely mixed (a common way to abuse this is to generate lower frequency audio using clock dividers, /2 from 800Hz audio gives you 400Hz square wave etc). Ah and most of that can be also explored without a physical rack using VCVRack.