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There is a huge amount of protection for renters, a lot of things are simply illegal to put into the rental agreement and are automatically void. I really have

There is a huge amount of protection for renters, a lot of things are simply illegal to put into the rental agreement and are automatically void. I really have no idea what you're talking about here.

Cumpiler69 2y ago
>and are automatically void And yet they're still put ion the rental agreement because the landlords know they can get away with it s it's a seller's market. >I really have no idea what you're talking about here. Google or look on reddit posts of foreigners getting screwed in Germany.
- Tainnor 2y ago
  Foreigners are typically getting screwed in Germany precisely because they don't know their rights or where to go to ask for (free) legal advice. If your landlord puts something in the contract that is against the law you can sign it and simply ignore it.
  - Cumpiler69 2y ago
    >Foreigners are typically getting screwed in Germany precisely because they don't know their rights or where to go to ask for (free) legal advice. Or simply because the alternative is being homeless? And why should the default for foreigners be getting screwed?
    - Tainnor 2y ago
      > Or simply because the alternative is being homeless? As I already mentioned, you can simply sign a contract and then proceed to ignore all the illegal clauses. They're not binding. > And why should the default for foreigners be getting screwed? People getting screwed because of them not knowing their rights is basically something that can happen in every legal system, and if people come from other countries without certain legal protections, they're more likely to not know about them. That's just a reality of life.
attendant3446 2y ago
Yes, there are laws that nullify certain clauses in tenancy agreements, but enforcing them is another story.
- Tainnor 2y ago
  There's nothing to enforce. If a clause is invalid, you can ignore it.
  - attendant3446 2y ago
    What if it's money you've already paid that someone won't give you back (while free or paid legal advisers tell you you're right)? It all ends with "you have to go to court". Yes, there is a chance that the other side will settle out of court. But usually they don't because going to court is a very expensive and long process and they don't think you'll do it (and most don't). And then it's just endless bureaucratic hell. And if it's about the apartment, you've probably paid a deposit. And if you ignore some of the clauses, they will probably try to get back at you and punish you by not returning the deposit (or part of it). From here - GOTO 1 ;(
    - Tainnor 2y ago
      In which country is any of this different? Yes, if somebody is trying to scam you you may have to be prepared to go to court. I don't understand how else you're expecting a legal system to work.
      - attendant3446 2y ago
        But you keep insisting that there are rules to protect you. That's not true at all. Yes, there are rules, but you always have to prove that you are right/not guilty. In Germany the system is that you are guilty until proven innocent. You always have to prove that there's a regulation that proves you're right/not guilty, not the other way around. And you can't just ignore some clauses just because you think (or some legal advice tells you) you're right. You'll just end up with a lot of problems.

There is a huge amount of protection for renters, a lot of things are simply illegal to put into the rental agreement and are automatically void. I really have no idea what you're talking about here.

Cumpiler69 2y ago

>and are automatically void And yet they're still put ion the rental agreement because the landlords know they can get away with it s it's a seller's market. >I really have no idea what you're talking about here. Google or look on reddit posts of foreigners getting screwed in Germany.

Tainnor 2y ago
Foreigners are typically getting screwed in Germany precisely because they don't know their rights or where to go to ask for (free) legal advice. If your landlord puts something in the contract that is against the law you can sign it and simply ignore it.
- Cumpiler69 2y ago
  >Foreigners are typically getting screwed in Germany precisely because they don't know their rights or where to go to ask for (free) legal advice. Or simply because the alternative is being homeless? And why should the default for foreigners be getting screwed?
  - Tainnor 2y ago
    > Or simply because the alternative is being homeless? As I already mentioned, you can simply sign a contract and then proceed to ignore all the illegal clauses. They're not binding. > And why should the default for foreigners be getting screwed? People getting screwed because of them not knowing their rights is basically something that can happen in every legal system, and if people come from other countries without certain legal protections, they're more likely to not know about them. That's just a reality of life.

attendant3446 2y ago

Yes, there are laws that nullify certain clauses in tenancy agreements, but enforcing them is another story.

Tainnor 2y ago
There's nothing to enforce. If a clause is invalid, you can ignore it.
- attendant3446 2y ago
  What if it's money you've already paid that someone won't give you back (while free or paid legal advisers tell you you're right)? It all ends with "you have to go to court". Yes, there is a chance that the other side will settle out of court. But usually they don't because going to court is a very expensive and long process and they don't think you'll do it (and most don't). And then it's just endless bureaucratic hell. And if it's about the apartment, you've probably paid a deposit. And if you ignore some of the clauses, they will probably try to get back at you and punish you by not returning the deposit (or part of it). From here - GOTO 1 ;(
  - Tainnor 2y ago
    In which country is any of this different? Yes, if somebody is trying to scam you you may have to be prepared to go to court. I don't understand how else you're expecting a legal system to work.
    - attendant3446 2y ago
      But you keep insisting that there are rules to protect you. That's not true at all. Yes, there are rules, but you always have to prove that you are right/not guilty. In Germany the system is that you are guilty until proven innocent. You always have to prove that there's a regulation that proves you're right/not guilty, not the other way around. And you can't just ignore some clauses just because you think (or some legal advice tells you) you're right. You'll just end up with a lot of problems.