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>Add that to the fact that any clause is worthless if it includes something a reasonable person wouldn't expect. The problem is you always need to sue to get j

>Add that to the fact that any clause is worthless if it includes something a reasonable person wouldn't expect. The problem is you always need to sue to get justice for that which means paying for lawyers and consuming time and money plus stress.

Tainnor 2y ago
That's true in probably every jurisdiction, though? At least in Germany you can often get free legal advice for many things (Verbraucherschutz, Mietrechtsberatung etc.) and there's insurance you can buy that covers your legal fees in case you lose. And legal fees in Germany are typically not exorbitant. (Also in some cases, it's the other way around. If your landlord wants to increase the rent it's on them to sue you if they have a valid case.)
- attendant3446 2y ago
  Legal advice and reality in Germany are 2 different things. The truth is that dealing with any kind of legal situation in Germany is a huge headache and all you get in the end is to prove you are right and get what should be yours anyway, without any additional compensation for your trouble. And many companies use this to abuse the system. The landlord can steal a small part of your deposit, you can only sue. But nobody's going to go through this hell for, say, €100, so the landlord gets to keep €100. Of course you can sue, but it will cost you a lot more than 100€ (even with insurance there is usually a deductible of 300€+) and it will take at least a year. And pretty much everything works this way.
  - Tainnor 2y ago
    If you win the case, the landlord would have to cover your legal fees.
    - attendant3446 2y ago
      In theory. But if the landlord is hiding (or, more accurately, if the bailiffs don't do their job), you end up paying for everything. But good news! The court order is valid for 30 years, so you might get it all back in the end (probably not).

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>Add that to the fact that any clause is worthless if it includes something a reasonable person wouldn't expect. The problem is you always need to sue to get j

by Cumpiler69 2y ago

Tainnor 2y ago
That's true in probably every jurisdiction, though? At least in Germany you can often get free legal advice for many things (Verbraucherschutz, Mietrechtsberatung etc.) and there's insurance you can buy that covers your legal fees in case you lose. And legal fees in Germany are typically not exorbitant. (Also in some cases, it's the other way around. If your landlord wants to increase the rent it's on them to sue you if they have a valid case.)
- attendant3446 2y ago
  Legal advice and reality in Germany are 2 different things. The truth is that dealing with any kind of legal situation in Germany is a huge headache and all you get in the end is to prove you are right and get what should be yours anyway, without any additional compensation for your trouble. And many companies use this to abuse the system. The landlord can steal a small part of your deposit, you can only sue. But nobody's going to go through this hell for, say, €100, so the landlord gets to keep €100. Of course you can sue, but it will cost you a lot more than 100€ (even with insurance there is usually a deductible of 300€+) and it will take at least a year. And pretty much everything works this way.
  - Tainnor 2y ago
    If you win the case, the landlord would have to cover your legal fees.
    - attendant3446 2y ago
      In theory. But if the landlord is hiding (or, more accurately, if the bailiffs don't do their job), you end up paying for everything. But good news! The court order is valid for 30 years, so you might get it all back in the end (probably not).