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Absolutely warranted, but there is no reason to worry, apps will keep up with the performance development and in a blink of an eye you will be forced (security,

Absolutely warranted, but there is no reason to worry, apps will keep up with the performance development and in a blink of an eye you will be forced (security, security security!!) to upgrade to the new versions of phone app or photo app dragging in 'free' and top notch AI assisted VR capabilities or whatnot that require power beyond current levels. Do you need that feature? Absolutely not. Nevertheless, you will have it. Rumours say MS is working on some sort of AR into Teams, which is just a random example of trigering "... but why?" Ryan Reynolds meme look. Wasting of resources is always a good reason for pushing up the performance ceiling.

CharlieDigital 2y ago
> apps will keep up with the performance development and in a blink of an eye Web apps gang here. I don't know about the rest of you folks, but I rarely install an app unless I have to or there is no other option. The few apps that do get installed aren't all that taxing.
- spiffyk 2y ago
  I almost never install an app unless absolutely required to either, but you talk as if web apps weren't some of the worst offenders in the matter of performance wasted.
  - CharlieDigital 2y ago
    There's practically a limit. JavaScript is a fairly limited as are DOM and CSS. This isn't like 3D graphics.
    - spiffyk 2y ago
      These limits are not immutable, web standards grow by the day, keeping up with the performance development as much as the apps themselves. There's already WebGPU, so 3D graphics already is a thing on the web. Also, case in point, the built-in CSS filter effects get pretty taxing on not-too-old mobile hardware, as I've lamented yesterday [1]. [1]: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42350309 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42350309
      - CharlieDigital 2y ago
        3D has long been a thing, but again, as a matter of practicality, it's use is quite rare for a number of reasons.
  - HacklesRaised 2y ago
    Strange that the developer sphere of the W3 industry is not dominated by, you know, W3. <warning snark-level="epic" generalization-level="expansive"> Perhaps if they weren't gluing together unaudited components, with a programming language designed to obsolete the blink tag, using the most expensive laptop on the planet they'd be less profligate with a users resources. </warning> Things are no better in the game industry and the days of Avie requiring engineers to develop on hardware more representative of users machines are long gone.
fx1994 2y ago
I never understood why one app has to cover everything. Apps are bloatware today. Same goes for Windows. All I wanted worked on 98SE or XP. How did OS get from 1GB to 30GB for listening music, surfing, some office, watching pictures? Ah yes, teams, onedrive, defender, firewall (I have my own hardware why do I need this forced) and other cloud integration no one asked for and if they ever forced only online account, that's where I draw the line with MS and I'm sure they will do it soon. They badly need and want our data.
- lotsofpulp 2y ago
  I asked for it. A lot less time spent doing tech support when backing up and restoring a device is as simple as logging into an iCloud account. Obviously, it shouldn’t be mandatory, but the ease of use surely benefits the majority of the population. Having to reinstall the operating system every now and then was not tenable.
  - hulitu 2y ago
    > but the ease of use You mean the ease of restoring Windows. Why do i have to click 2 times in Win 11 to select another window on the taskbar ?
    - lotsofpulp 2y ago
      No clue, haven’t used Windows in over a decades. But I mean ease of use, overall. Before, you have issues with your computing device, you have to troubleshoot how to get data off of it, transfer it, possible avoid malware, maybe have to pay someone to help you. Now, you set it to backup to iCloud, and if something happens to the hardware you buy a new device and login, and you’re good to go. Or if it’s software, you might have to reinstall (I never have had to).
- kylebenzle 2y ago
  Windows is not an OS any more, it's and advertising platform.
tohnjitor 2y ago
With all of the features and plug-ins being crammed into Teams, it may become TeamsOS before long
Neonlicht 2y ago
Bought a mid range Samsung A55 and it does everything I want. But then I have a gaming PC and a big television at home.

CharlieDigital 2y ago

> apps will keep up with the performance development and in a blink of an eye Web apps gang here. I don't know about the rest of you folks, but I rarely install an app unless I have to or there is no other option. The few apps that do get installed aren't all that taxing.

spiffyk 2y ago
I almost never install an app unless absolutely required to either, but you talk as if web apps weren't some of the worst offenders in the matter of performance wasted.
- CharlieDigital 2y ago
  There's practically a limit. JavaScript is a fairly limited as are DOM and CSS. This isn't like 3D graphics.
  - spiffyk 2y ago
    These limits are not immutable, web standards grow by the day, keeping up with the performance development as much as the apps themselves. There's already WebGPU, so 3D graphics already is a thing on the web. Also, case in point, the built-in CSS filter effects get pretty taxing on not-too-old mobile hardware, as I've lamented yesterday [1]. [1]: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42350309 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42350309
    - CharlieDigital 2y ago
      3D has long been a thing, but again, as a matter of practicality, it's use is quite rare for a number of reasons.
- HacklesRaised 2y ago
  Strange that the developer sphere of the W3 industry is not dominated by, you know, W3. <warning snark-level="epic" generalization-level="expansive"> Perhaps if they weren't gluing together unaudited components, with a programming language designed to obsolete the blink tag, using the most expensive laptop on the planet they'd be less profligate with a users resources. </warning> Things are no better in the game industry and the days of Avie requiring engineers to develop on hardware more representative of users machines are long gone.

fx1994 2y ago

I never understood why one app has to cover everything. Apps are bloatware today. Same goes for Windows. All I wanted worked on 98SE or XP. How did OS get from 1GB to 30GB for listening music, surfing, some office, watching pictures? Ah yes, teams, onedrive, defender, firewall (I have my own hardware why do I need this forced) and other cloud integration no one asked for and if they ever forced only online account, that's where I draw the line with MS and I'm sure they will do it soon. They badly need and want our data.

lotsofpulp 2y ago
I asked for it. A lot less time spent doing tech support when backing up and restoring a device is as simple as logging into an iCloud account. Obviously, it shouldn’t be mandatory, but the ease of use surely benefits the majority of the population. Having to reinstall the operating system every now and then was not tenable.
- hulitu 2y ago
  > but the ease of use You mean the ease of restoring Windows. Why do i have to click 2 times in Win 11 to select another window on the taskbar ?
  - lotsofpulp 2y ago
    No clue, haven’t used Windows in over a decades. But I mean ease of use, overall. Before, you have issues with your computing device, you have to troubleshoot how to get data off of it, transfer it, possible avoid malware, maybe have to pay someone to help you. Now, you set it to backup to iCloud, and if something happens to the hardware you buy a new device and login, and you’re good to go. Or if it’s software, you might have to reinstall (I never have had to).
kylebenzle 2y ago
Windows is not an OS any more, it's and advertising platform.

tohnjitor 2y ago

With all of the features and plug-ins being crammed into Teams, it may become TeamsOS before long

Neonlicht 2y ago

Bought a mid range Samsung A55 and it does everything I want. But then I have a gaming PC and a big television at home.