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Filing false reports like this should count as fraud.

by breakingcups 2y ago

concerndc1tizen 2y ago
I.e. as a crime rather than just a civic tort? I agree.
- pdpi 2y ago
  As general rule, I find that sort of thing to be an over-reaction, but submitting a complaint for phishing instead of a plain old DMCA takedown does warrant it.
terminalbraid 2y ago
I'm in the outraged crowd and there should be pretty serious consequences, but it is important in the interest of justice to differentiate between fraud, negligence, and gross incompetence.
- Gigachad 2y ago
  As long as you have some automated AI bot sent all the reports. It’s never fraud, you couldn’t have known it would do that.
  - babuskov 2y ago
    Looks like AI is becoming a perfect excuse to do whatever you like. It's like having a dangerous dog that usually doesn't bite, but you really cannot know if it will change its mind one day. Do you just let such dog walk the streets without owner supervision?
    - Sohcahtoa82 2y ago
      > It's like having a dangerous dog that usually doesn't bite, but you really cannot know if it will change its mind one day. In other words, a pit bull.
  - nkrisc 2y ago
    Which is why anyone deploying AI solutions should be held accountable for whatever the AI does, as if they had done it personally and intentionally. It’s irresponsible to deploy AI if you don’t know what it will do, especially when there are actual stakes. Maybe we’ll have less AI bullshit then.
- ndsipa_pomu 2y ago
  Whilst I agree in principle that deliberate disruption of other people's websites/serivces should be more harshly punished, I don't think it's particularly practical. There's so many ways that modern companies can obfuscate the reasoning behind what they do, so I've come to the conclusion that if they're causing harm to someone else, then they should be punished/made to pay no matter their excuse. If companies hide behind negligence/incompetence, then we need to make it costly for them to be negligent/incompetent.
- joquarky 2y ago
  Discerning intent is a waste of time and resources in cases like this.
RobotToaster 2y ago
Isn't it already classed as perjury?
- plorkyeran 2y ago
  No, the perjury aspect of a DMCA takedown (which isn't even applicable here as that's not what they did) is if you don't actually represent the person that you claim to be filing a takedown on behalf of.
kevingadd 2y ago
It does but there's no actual way to get legal recourse for false DMCA notices or anything similar. The legal system is stacked for the abusers to have their way and the victims to have no recourse, regardless of how egregious the abuse is.
Suppafly 2y ago
>Filing false reports like this should count as fraud. It does, but they never mess with anyone with big enough pockets to get sued for it.
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Filing false reports like this should count as fraud.

concerndc1tizen 2y ago

I.e. as a crime rather than just a civic tort? I agree.

pdpi 2y ago
As general rule, I find that sort of thing to be an over-reaction, but submitting a complaint for phishing instead of a plain old DMCA takedown does warrant it.

terminalbraid 2y ago

I'm in the outraged crowd and there should be pretty serious consequences, but it is important in the interest of justice to differentiate between fraud, negligence, and gross incompetence.

Gigachad 2y ago
As long as you have some automated AI bot sent all the reports. It’s never fraud, you couldn’t have known it would do that.
- babuskov 2y ago
  Looks like AI is becoming a perfect excuse to do whatever you like. It's like having a dangerous dog that usually doesn't bite, but you really cannot know if it will change its mind one day. Do you just let such dog walk the streets without owner supervision?
  - Sohcahtoa82 2y ago
    > It's like having a dangerous dog that usually doesn't bite, but you really cannot know if it will change its mind one day. In other words, a pit bull.
- nkrisc 2y ago
  Which is why anyone deploying AI solutions should be held accountable for whatever the AI does, as if they had done it personally and intentionally. It’s irresponsible to deploy AI if you don’t know what it will do, especially when there are actual stakes. Maybe we’ll have less AI bullshit then.
ndsipa_pomu 2y ago
Whilst I agree in principle that deliberate disruption of other people's websites/serivces should be more harshly punished, I don't think it's particularly practical. There's so many ways that modern companies can obfuscate the reasoning behind what they do, so I've come to the conclusion that if they're causing harm to someone else, then they should be punished/made to pay no matter their excuse. If companies hide behind negligence/incompetence, then we need to make it costly for them to be negligent/incompetent.
joquarky 2y ago
Discerning intent is a waste of time and resources in cases like this.

RobotToaster 2y ago

Isn't it already classed as perjury?

plorkyeran 2y ago
No, the perjury aspect of a DMCA takedown (which isn't even applicable here as that's not what they did) is if you don't actually represent the person that you claim to be filing a takedown on behalf of.

kevingadd 2y ago

It does but there's no actual way to get legal recourse for false DMCA notices or anything similar. The legal system is stacked for the abusers to have their way and the victims to have no recourse, regardless of how egregious the abuse is.

Suppafly 2y ago

>Filing false reports like this should count as fraud. It does, but they never mess with anyone with big enough pockets to get sued for it.

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