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PIPing people is harder than most people realize and is also very work intensive. Sometimes is easier to let underperformers coast than the red tape and work th

PIPing people is harder than most people realize and is also very work intensive. Sometimes is easier to let underperformers coast than the red tape and work that goes into PIPing someone out. I’ve very rarely ever seen anyone fired from underperformance that hadn’t been on at least a 3 month PIP.

plantwallshoe 2y ago
Must depend on where you work…In my career I’ve seen loads of people fired for underperformance or being hard to work with.
- s1artibartfast 2y ago
  Yeah, the issue is pretty specific to big corps. I'm not gonna take on a huge workload and drama to get someone fired. To be more specific, lay off difficulties are at the complex of a ton of corporate management failures. These include poor oversight and supervision, legal paranoia, and low skin in the game. I've been at startups where someone who isn't cutting it will be laid off in a week.
moralestapia 2y ago
Really? 2 week notice, both ways, seems to be the norm nowadays.
- StressedDev 2y ago
  Not in large corporations. Typically, this is what happens for full time employees: 1. The manager decides the employee should go. 2. The manager reaches out to the Human Resources department. They explain what the manager has to do to ensure that the employee can be fired without causing the company to get sued. 3. The manager meets with the employee and puts them on a performance improvement plan. Typically, the employee is given goals they must meet to keep their job. The manager documents the employee's performance. The documentation's goal is to ensure that the company can avoid a lawsuit if the employee is fired. 4. PIPs last about 3 months. 5. If the employee meets the goals, the employee is taken off of the PIP and stays on the team. 6. If the employee did not meet the goals, the employee is fired. Note it is a lot of work and this has been going on for decades. There are a few problems with this process: A. Teams are stuck with poor performers because managers cannot quickly get rid of them. B. A lot of time, the employee on the PIP has no chance. The manager wants him gone and unless the employee does an amazing job, that employee will be fired no matter what.

plantwallshoe 2y ago

Must depend on where you work…In my career I’ve seen loads of people fired for underperformance or being hard to work with.

s1artibartfast 2y ago
Yeah, the issue is pretty specific to big corps. I'm not gonna take on a huge workload and drama to get someone fired. To be more specific, lay off difficulties are at the complex of a ton of corporate management failures. These include poor oversight and supervision, legal paranoia, and low skin in the game. I've been at startups where someone who isn't cutting it will be laid off in a week.

moralestapia 2y ago

Really? 2 week notice, both ways, seems to be the norm nowadays.

StressedDev 2y ago
Not in large corporations. Typically, this is what happens for full time employees: 1. The manager decides the employee should go. 2. The manager reaches out to the Human Resources department. They explain what the manager has to do to ensure that the employee can be fired without causing the company to get sued. 3. The manager meets with the employee and puts them on a performance improvement plan. Typically, the employee is given goals they must meet to keep their job. The manager documents the employee's performance. The documentation's goal is to ensure that the company can avoid a lawsuit if the employee is fired. 4. PIPs last about 3 months. 5. If the employee meets the goals, the employee is taken off of the PIP and stays on the team. 6. If the employee did not meet the goals, the employee is fired. Note it is a lot of work and this has been going on for decades. There are a few problems with this process: A. Teams are stuck with poor performers because managers cannot quickly get rid of them. B. A lot of time, the employee on the PIP has no chance. The manager wants him gone and unless the employee does an amazing job, that employee will be fired no matter what.