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Please read the article before posting comments, or at least read a summary. The article is saying that GPT-4o style models are reaching their peak, and are bei

Please read the article before posting comments, or at least read a summary. The article is saying that GPT-4o style models are reaching their peak, and are being replaced by o1 style models. The article does not make value judgements on the usefulness of existing AI or business viability of AI companies.

akira2501 2y ago
> does not make value judgements So we are not allowed to? The Hacker News gatekeeping instinct is particularly hilarious to me.
- flappyeagle 2y ago
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- dwattttt 2y ago
  You're welcome to make value judgements. The statement you're responding to is a statement about what the article does, not what you should/should not do.
danpalmer 2y ago
I'd suggest that the GPT-4 models are reaching their peak, and that OpenAI is pushing into the o1 reasoning in an attempt to differentiate and regain the mindshare they're losing. Claude is regarded as better at many things, Gemini at some others, Gemini has massive context windows, Flash runs faster and cheaper, Bedrock runs cheaper, Gemma and Llama are open source and doing pretty well for many use-cases. If it weren't for mindshare, I'm not sure OpenAI's models would be thought of as anything special at this point. Now it does sound like o1 is a step up, but it also takes a long time and costs a lot, making it quite niche. It's not something you drop in and get better results from.
anon373839 2y ago
The author is clearly better informed than the average journalist. However, I think it's strange how the article discusses o1 as though it's some new mystery class of model that no one understands. I mean yes, the exact training recipe isn't known, but it's pretty clear that it is still a GPT model that outputs some chain-of-thought material inside <thinking>...</thinking> tags, which is filtered from the user's view.

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Please read the article before posting comments, or at least read a summary. The article is saying that GPT-4o style models are reaching their peak, and are bei

by Skunkleton 2y ago

akira2501 2y ago
> does not make value judgements So we are not allowed to? The Hacker News gatekeeping instinct is particularly hilarious to me.
- flappyeagle 2y ago
  [flagged]
- dwattttt 2y ago
  You're welcome to make value judgements. The statement you're responding to is a statement about what the article does, not what you should/should not do.
danpalmer 2y ago
I'd suggest that the GPT-4 models are reaching their peak, and that OpenAI is pushing into the o1 reasoning in an attempt to differentiate and regain the mindshare they're losing. Claude is regarded as better at many things, Gemini at some others, Gemini has massive context windows, Flash runs faster and cheaper, Bedrock runs cheaper, Gemma and Llama are open source and doing pretty well for many use-cases. If it weren't for mindshare, I'm not sure OpenAI's models would be thought of as anything special at this point. Now it does sound like o1 is a step up, but it also takes a long time and costs a lot, making it quite niche. It's not something you drop in and get better results from.
anon373839 2y ago
The author is clearly better informed than the average journalist. However, I think it's strange how the article discusses o1 as though it's some new mystery class of model that no one understands. I mean yes, the exact training recipe isn't known, but it's pretty clear that it is still a GPT model that outputs some chain-of-thought material inside <thinking>...</thinking> tags, which is filtered from the user's view.